The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, busdriver said:

Please tell me you're serious, was that an actual thing?  Good god that would be awesome.

It was a real thing.

[busdriver]

It was a real thing.

Hahahahahaha. This is hilariously awesome. History is full of cool surprises.

[M2]

1 minute ago, Desk Jobs Suck said:

It's ok for Nancy Pelosi to go to a hair salon in shut down California, then claiming she "didn't know the rules". Rules for thee

Honestly, did anyone really expect Pelosi to follow rules?!?  Rules are for peasants...

[Sim]

[Negatory]

Also, I just looked into the actual comorbidities page on the CDC website, and some of the top conditions that were present when patients died of COVID that were counted as comorbidities were pneumonia, respiratory distress syndrome, respiratory arrest, and respiratory failure... Also, they listed cardiac arrest - something that happens when you die - as a comorbidity. If you don't see how the data is being skewed here, you're being intellectually dishonest. Seems fairly obvious that the overwhelming majority of people who died of COVID - a disease that is known to cause respiratory and heart issues - should have associated respiratory and heart issues when they die.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q

(Table 3)

We've known all along that COVID causes people to have pneumonia, a cough, trouble breathing, and respiratory distress. Don't pretend like a report that says that those conditions happen in people with COVID is some sort of proof that COVID's actual death rate is vastly overstated.

[HU&W]

On 9/2/2020 at 4:58 PM, Desk Jobs Suck said:

It's ok for Nancy Pelosi to go to a hair salon in shut down California, then claiming she "didn't know the rules". Rules for thee

Deny. Deflect. Make counter accusations. 

SOP for politicians is point blame for their own choices, especially when caught. 

[busdriver]

23 hours ago, brawnie said:

Also, I just looked into the actual comorbidities ......If you don't see how the data is being skewed here, you're being intellectually dishonest.

Doesn't co-morbidity literal mean died with?  The list of co-morbidities is larger than the total.

The data isn't being skewed, people are interpreting it with their previous biases.  "Data driven" is the new buzzword to mean "I'm spouting numbers, but don't actually understand what the scientific method really means."

[pawnman]

9 hours ago, HU&W said:

Deny. Deflect. Make counter accusations. 

SOP for politicians is point blame for their own choices, especially when caught. 

At least Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot held her ground when she was caught doing the same thing.

[Kiloalpha]

I think it’s fair to say I’m on the side of “COVID-19 is being overblown.” However, it pains me when people throw out the 6% number based on a reading of death certificates.

My girlfriend had COVID and it really messed her up. Today, (nearly 6 months later) she can’t walk up more than a few flights of stairs because her lungs just won’t get the O2 needed. The doc has her on all kinds of things to try and help, and I think eventually she’ll regain her ability to breathe like before.

I mention that because if she died today, say from just going too hard in a workout or straining herself, what would the coroner put down? Probably something pulmonary-related, but there’s a decent chance he/she would see COVID in her medical records and add that too. And you know what? They wouldn’t be wrong. COVID started the problems.

For a parallel that might help, people don’t die only from HIV. That virus simply opens their bodies up to death from other things, such as infection. Should a coroner not note HIV alongside death by sepsis?

Put simply, there’s far too much variability in what a coroner can put down on that paper to read too deeply into it. I think the death toll is significantly less than the 180,000 number, but it sure isn’t 0.

[Sim]

 

Wokeness training is cancelled. Signed - POTUS. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf 

 

[Hacker]

13 hours ago, Sim said:

Wokeness training is cancelled. Signed - POTUS. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf

Oh, I'm certain that the AF will wholesale believe that their whatever-the-current-terminology-is sensitivity training doesn't fall under this mandate.

[Negatory]

You guys have any experience with this training? At my org (group level), we went around the room and, if you were white, you basically had to admit how you have been privileged and how you have internal biases. Super not awkward and fake, let me tell you. And this wasn’t optional. Literally every person had to talk.
 

If you were black, you had to go around and tell the room about your experiences being oppressed based on your skin color. One of the TSgts didn’t know what to say and started rambling about how she’s never had a bad experience or felt scared until the last week when a rent a cop pulled her over on base for speeding. She went on to say that the cop was super nice and did nothing wrong, but that she felt like she should be scared so she was.

We are creating victims and people with victim complexes. It also amplifies any sort of racial divide that existed before. The whole training takes away from the fact that there really are race bias problems out there, and that is what we should be focusing on.

[jice]

1 hour ago, brawnie said:

You guys have any experience with this training? At my org (group level), we went around the room and, if you were white, you basically had to admit how you have been privileged and how you have internal biases. Super not awkward and fake, let me tell you. And this wasn’t optional. Literally every person had to talk.
 

If you were black, you had to go around and tell the room about your experiences being oppressed based on your skin color. One of the TSgts didn’t know what to say and started rambling about how she’s never had a bad experience or felt scared until the last week when a rent a cop pulled her over on base for speeding. She went on to say that the cop was super nice and did nothing wrong, but that she felt like she should be scared so she was.

We are creating victims and people with victim complexes. It also amplifies any sort of racial divide that existed before. The whole training takes away from the fact that there really are race bias problems out there, and that is what we should be focusing on.

Had a contrasting experience. Learned a lot about the folks I work with. Never thought about a lot of what was discussed. A number of people brought to tears with a significantly poignant story. Overheard one of the staunch “the best way to end this problem is not to discuss it” people tell the person who organized the training “thanks, I’m glad we had this talk; I think I need to listen more.” We didn’t have a 100% talking rule and attendance/tracking was intentionally obfuscated... and by that I mean we definitely had 100% attendance to meet the mandate.

[Guardian]

I’ve had this experience. And the some of the worst parts of it were being also called racist by not only blacks but white people too just because of the color of my skin. I didn’t say anything during the meeting. Several people threatened to quit after and the person running said do whatever they thought was right but that this wouldn’t stop as it was coming down from the highest levels. Meaning the former CSAF and our exceptionally racist, biased, and bigoted former CMSAF.

[busdriver]

There is a distinct difference between talking about experiences, how all people have biases, etc.  That's just being a human and connecting to other humans.

Then there's the Robin DiAngelo / Ibram Kendi anti-racist horse shit.  Which is actually just racist nonsense looking to reverse the tables of history.

[dream big]

On 9/4/2020 at 8:20 PM, Sim said:

 

Wokeness training is cancelled. Signed - POTUS. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf 

 

Thank god.  About time when you have a sitting squadron commander forcing her squadron to read “White Fragility” and openly posting Atlantic articles bashing the sitting CINC. 

[aeroplanez]

11 hours ago, dream big said:

Thank god.  About time when you have a sitting squadron commander forcing her squadron to read “White Fragility” and openly posting Atlantic articles bashing the sitting CINC. 

YGBSM.... This sounds like someone who needs to be outed.  What sq?

[SocialD]

19 hours ago, aeroplanez said:

YGBSM.... This sounds like someone who needs to be outed.  What sq?

Right!  Reply all, "Thanks for the informative email."  Just add the IG to the CC column.    

[SocialD]

 

[Runr6730]

3 hours ago, SocialD said:

 

I could listen to him talk for hours. Very insightful video. Thanks for sharing. 

[waveshaper]

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 9:20 PM, Sim said:

 

Wokeness training is cancelled. Signed - POTUS. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/M-20-34.pdf 

 

The latest: "Air Force moves to cancel contracts for training on white privilege"

"The Air Force is taking the first steps toward canceling any contracts for diversity and unconscious bias training that include segments on white privilege and other controversial subjects, as called for by the White House." Etc, etc, etc.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/09/22/air-force-moves-to-cancel-contracts-for-training-on-white-privilege/

[17D_guy]

Good, the honest discussions with each other are worth so much more then having our Airmen browbeaten about how they're wrong, always been wrong and always will be wrong.

[ThreeHoler]

Man, I hate that unconscious bias that I have when I am knocked the out. It is much worse than that bias I don’t know I have in my subconscious affecting my decisions.


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[tac airlifter]

We should be focusing on the mission that UNITES us, not the race baiting academic trash that divides us.  Diversity is not strength, unity is strength.  And we’re strongest when diverse people have unity of purpose in defending our nation together, executing the mission, and crushing our enemies.

[Hacker]

13 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

We should be focusing on the mission that UNITES us, not the race baiting academic trash that divides us.  Diversity is not strength, unity is strength.  And we’re strongest when diverse people have unity of purpose in defending our nation together, executing the mission, and crushing our enemies.

I am wondering what happened to that thing they used to tell us all in initial training that we were no longer a gaggle of individuals, but that we were all "Airmen" now.