Pooter wrote

Not one person in here can explain how we’re in a better strategic position wrt Iran today than we were a month and a half ago. Or a year ago. Or when we had the JCPOA. Iran has more influence, leverage, and credibility right now than at any point I can remember.

What are you smoking?

15 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Time is on our side, not Irans.

We can easily sit back and let Iran run whatever scheme they want to where it concerns the 40 mile choke point.

Maybe you should call the White House and tell them that.. they seem to not have gotten the memo.

If I recall correctly, 4 days ago (ancient history I know) Trump tweeted “open the fuckin straight you crazy bastards.”

A free and open SOH was also a stated goal of the war, and per Trump it is “key condition” of the temporary ceasefire.

This seems to contradict your assertion that we can just sit back and let Iran self-immolate by closing the straight as long as they want.. if it’s no skin off our back why is our president ranting about it?

12 hours ago, Vito said:

Pooter wrote

Not one person in here can explain how we’re in a better strategic position wrt Iran today than we were a month and a half ago. Or a year ago. Or when we had the JCPOA. Iran has more influence, leverage, and credibility right now than at any point I can remember.

What are you smoking?

Still waiting for someone to explain to me why if Iran is totally weak and decimated, we’re using their 10 point plan as the basis for negotiations. 🤷🏻‍♂️ guess I’ll have to keep waiting. Best you’ve got is..

wHaT are U smOkiNg?!??

Didn't know grandpa Facebook memes were leaking here as well.

8 hours ago, M2 said:

5 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Didn't know grandpa Facebook memes were leaking here as well.

That's NextDoor quality meme

17 hours ago, M2 said:

Ukraine? Wait, isn’t that supposed to be over?

So now we're going with the "lalallaa I can't hear you" level of debate. Got it.

Yes I hate Trump as a person. But I've argued the policy not the man.

20 hours ago, M2 said:

Weird how different conflicts can have different stances. It's almost as if you're comparing apples to oranges!

Ukraine: Defensive. 0 American lives. Extremely costly for 1 of our 2 global adversaries. Important for stability in Europe. Protecting a fledgling democracy

Brought new critical positioned nations into NATO.

Iran: Offensive. Absurdly more expensive per day than Ukraine in 2 months (iran: $48B + $1B/day vs ukraine: $120B of $180B congressionally allocated spent in 1507 days). Costing American lives and showcasing our weaknesses to China. Disrupted global economic stability, drove inflation up again, and empowered a tier 2 adversary while alienating allies.

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