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Of course y'all are think an imaginary 14 year old consenting to an elective procedure is a bridge too far supporting someone who trafficked and raped that 14 year old on the regular is just fine.

Ok so i rounded slightly, sue me. The figure provided was 90%. But to answer your question, it's a hobby. I leave the job of full retard to our president. Looks like 2 KIA and 1 MIA unfortunately.

For us or them? Their 100% neutralized ballistic missile capability just managed to hit some CLUs. So on the one hand at least it wasn't our invaluable radars or tankers this time and we know for a fact they have 2 less missiles now so you could say things are improving. On the other hand it turns out they still have ballistic missiles and that's sort of awkward. There's also vids of multiple patroit interceptors missing at least 2 ballistic missiles.

So to recap the past few days: Back to shooting at each other. Something something decimated yet Iran is still punching back. Both sides are charging tolls now, with Iran claiming the MOU permits them to (it sort of does since it was terribly written) and our admin acting the part of children and copying them action for action again. So much for freedom of nav... Can't wait for China to point to our great example setting. Israel is still doing their own thing not listening to anyone. Congress has previously voted to direct the executive branch to end the conflict or get actual approval for the war. Realistically this is showmanship because no one will suffer consequences for ignoring it. So with that in mind... What are our goals and strategic objectives here? Does anyone have a plan or did Israel trick trump and Co into thinking this would go smoothly like Venezuela? Because I'm pretty sure it's the latter. Israel doesn't care if it goes on for longer as they benefit while the admin thought it would be a quick 3 day special military op. Now they're rightly ed and can't get out of the fire they started.

Well given that all the TDS experts on here have gone completely quiet on here since the MOU and the VP just confirmed we've lifted sanctions on Iran effective today in return for literally nothing it's certainly a combo 1, 2, and 5.

I love when y'all keep pulling the "hatred for this admin" card when legit points and sources are brought up. Guess when you can't attack the point your only option left is to attack the person. (1.1) Traded religious leadership for hardline military junta. (1.2) Validated ballistic and drone capabilities to close the strait of hormuz and harass economically and strategically nation in the ME seen as aiding the war against them. (2.1) FON existed prior to the conflict for decades. You don't get to claim FON as a victory when it existed all the way up until we began a conflict. (2.2) FON is a bold claim when you have 3rd party countries paying tolls for passage and months of ships bottled up. (3.1) Iran didn't possess a nuke before. Also didn't operation midnight hammer just last year already claim this? (3.2) No agreement or limitation on future nuke development. Likely the conflict has encouraged Iran to pursue one more urgently.

And yet somehow y'all don't care about the thousands of Americans dying yearly from the lack of proper Healthcare, shelter, or food in this country. Or millions suffering after we cut usaid plus our loss of global soft power. There are so many better things we could've spent these funds with a better roi in terms of $ for American lives. It's not orange man bad. It's not Iran good. It's the fact that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. And now after having squeezed it anyways, we're in a worse off position than we started in by any measure of regional status quo be that Jul 15, May 18, Oct 23, or Jan 26.

No I mean the 13 attributable directly to a conflict we didn't need to be in. That were only in harms way because this admin chose to put them there. In any other timeline they would not be dead. How many times do we need to get our hand bitten in the middle Eastern oil jar before we stop blaming them and stop sticking our hand into it? The escalation was only bound to happen because we stopped any attempts at diplomacy, gave it not even a half passed effort (did you see the professionals we sent to negotiate?), and have proven as a nation we can't be relied upon to stick to any deals we make for more than 1 admin. As a nation we aren't reliable. As a side note considering 5 of those 13 were in a midair accident, it's a stretch to blame Iranian regime for them. Are we also going to blame them for the 8 that just died in the buff crash?

Which of y'all wants to explain this 4d chess move to me? Or can we only do that in a scif? "Below is the text of the 14-point draft memorandum, as seen by Bloomberg News. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council."

Ironically those 13 are also attributable to the current admin's negotiating skills. Turns out cutting the Afghan gov out of negotiations and releasing a ton of taliban results in a cluster of a withdrawal. Does it really matter if it's literal plane fulls? Currently Iran is getting additional income via "tolls" and an alleged $25B of funds from negotiations that far exceeds the release of their own funds under Obama's deal. Tbd. The $300B figure which has been verified by our own VP is allegedly gulf state funded. It isn't released "unless they perform" which sounds a lot like the old deal we had... Just with a lot more cash. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a shell game to save face and a significant chunk of funds come from the US. The conflict itself has cost taxpayers an estimated $110B+ to date. The official figure is around $50B but that doesn't account for inflationary costs (primarily fuel) associated with the war. If you want to claim I'm lying feel free to provide some sources. But at the moment we've got: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/jd-vance-details-us-iran-agreement-scepticism-republicans https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/27/politics/iran-war-spending-cancelled-trainings-delayed-maintenance

I can name at least 13 directly attributable to the current admin. "Pallets of cash" conveniently ignoring that legally it was Iran's own money that had been previously locked up. And we're now looking at paying them 15x that amount immediately and 176x that amount later on. And not out of Iran's frozen funds this time but out of our own taxpayers pockets to boot. This thread is hilariously quiet while everyone waits to get their talking points on how what I outlined above is actually the checkmate move in trump's 4d chess game and not what it is at face value. Total capitulation and global embarrassment.

So setting aside the service members who died, aircraft we lost, facilities damaged, and stockpiles depleted let's see where we are at. Allies lost faith in our ability to defend them and pissed off our European allies for blind siding them. Chucked by Israel continously. Destroyed Iran's airforce and navy (as if they were ever a threat). Disrupted the global economy and validated Iran's ability to exert control over the strait and region using mines, drones, and ballistic missiles. Traded a deal that unfroze $1.7B of their cash for a deal that's going to unfreeze $25B of their casb and give them another $300B of our cash allegedly. Replaced extremist leadership with even more hardline military extremist leadership. Traded an inspected and managed uranium stockpile for unknown results but certainly not what's claimed. If the B-2s did the work they claimed last year, why are we here again? Any limitations not included in this deal. Explicitly excludes any missile program related concessions despite those on here saying that was a key flaw of Obama's deal. OH and killed a bunch of school kids making another generation or three of anti-american extremists in the region. Did we win daddy?

Did none of y'all actually read any of the article much less to the end it where it talks about methodology? I'm not a Washington Post fan but all they did was verify the validity of BDA images provided by Iran utilizing open source imagery. Iran already did the BDA themselves. WaPo didn't do a damn thing with regards to BDA other than tell us that Iran wasn't lying or faking the imagery.. Also let's be honest here. China and Russia are aiding Iran in BDA in real time. A news article weeks after the fact utilizing open source imagery isn't giving Iran anything they didn't already have.

Mission Accomplished! AP NewsTrump administration says its war in Iran has been 'termi...The Trump administration is arguing that the war in Iran has already ended because of the ceasefire that began in early April.Or uhhh terminated?