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34 minutes ago, drewpey said:

I'm shocked that the party of personal responsibility refuses to accept personal responsibility for running a shitty campaign that only pandered to his base, and did nothing to win over the moderate US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

It's almost as if years of yelling "Benghazi" and "Buttery males" desensitized the media to your ridiculous claims, and now require you to actually produce proof of wrongdoing.  Does it get tiring playing the victim?

Probably not any more nauseating than years of hearing that Russian collusion is the only way Hillary lost and Donnie is a Russian agent...vice her lackluster campaign strategy of “I’m not Trump.”

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Complete and utter malarkey. ONE mainstream network went after Obama, Foxnews, some of it unwarranted Political tripe, some of it valid.  Meanwhile ALL of the remaining mainstream networks suppor

Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

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1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

Do I think it means the SCOTUS saves the day? No. The media problem isn't something the government can solve. But everyone laughing and scorning the Trump team for making bold claims in public that never materialize in court sure seem to be forgetting the Adam Schiff (D) show on CNN for several years assuring us that Donald Trump was a Russian puppet, and using his position on the Intelligence Committee as standing to back up the claim. Yet nothing was every taken to court. There is no honest way to argue that the same standard has been used on Joe Biden as has been used on Donald Trump. That hypocrisy is very, very visible to conservatives. And whenever (D) voters get into a conversation with (R) voters, there is a general refusal to admit the clearly obvious difference in treatment between the two. And when that is pointed out, inevitably it's some variation of but Donald Trump is so much more offensive. He cheats on his wives! His businesses fail! His kids are only doing well because of Daddy! But to say these things in such a manner completely ignores the reality of politics.

Bill Clinton was getting his dick sucked by a 22 year old in the oval office, while very much married. Kennedy was flying 19 year-olds around the world for drug-fueled orgies, also married. Sanford, Gingrich, and plenty of other republicans too. John Edwards had a love child while his wife was dying of cancer. Hillary Clinton literally ran a server in a bathroom that she had destroyed when it was discovered. Then lied about having the emails from the server. These people are monsters.

And going back before Trump, George Bush, by every account a decent man, was called a Nazi. Mitt Romney was maybe the most charitable politician in history, and he too was smeared as an evil monster. And don't even get me started on Brett Kavanaugh. 


So is Trump a horrible person? Yup. But not one fucking percent more horrible than the parade of Democrats and Republicans who hate him so furiously.

Concur on most of this, and the stuff I don't I would probably consider a matter of degrees of difference.
 

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And now Joe Biden is getting a pass for his kid clearly and obviously using the family name for profit, and kids are off limits? Didn't seem so for the Trump kids. And when evidence (yes, first hand testimony is evidence) comes out that Joe Biden was aware, well that's just one guy saying some stuff. If photos of Tiffany Trump snorting coke while she worked for a Russian company making $50k/month in an industry where she had zero experience or skill were to make it public, the whole world would erupt, and we all know it.

Here's where I don't agree.  "The media" hasn't gone after Barron, or the other kids who aren't in a political office.  As a Dad who's literally looking down the future of a son who's not on a right path no matter what I do, I also don't think we hold the Father for the crimes of the son, even if the name was invoked for dirty dealings.  My son's said shit to me that I thought sounded ok...found out after it wasn't.  I wouldn't do that for Don Jr, an I won't do it for Hunter.    I think that the appointment of Trumps kids to political office was reprehensible and should be outlawed by the Legislature in the next session. 

But again, when the kids are appointed to political positions...fair game.

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53 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Russian collusion is to 2016

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/29/breaking-russia-believed-clinton-was-planning-anti-trump-collusion-campaign-in-2016-and-u-s-officials-knew-it/

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In a letter provided on Tuesday afternoon to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, Ratcliffe wrote that Russian intelligence officials knew about Clinton’s plan to “stir up a scandal” against Trump by “tying him to Putin and the Russians’ hacking of the Democratic National Committee.”

“In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin,” Ratcliffe wrote in his summary of U.S. intelligence findings.

 Clinton pushed pee-pee scandal with Obama, CIA and FBI awareness. But I'm sure you knew that...right? 

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16 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Here's where I don't agree.  "The media" hasn't gone after Barron, or the other kids who aren't in a political office.  As a Dad who's literally looking down the future of a son who's not on a right path no matter what I do, I also don't think we hold the Father for the crimes of the son, even if the name was invoked for dirty dealings.  My son's said shit to me that I thought sounded ok...found out after it wasn't.  I wouldn't do that for Don Jr, an I won't do it for Hunter.    I think that the appointment of Trumps kids to political office was reprehensible and should be outlawed by the Legislature in the next session. 

But again, when the kids are appointed to political positions...fair game.

I get what you're saying, but the difference is, you're a nobody. Not a slam. I'm nobody too. But Both Obama's and Biden's staff were aware and concerned about what Hunter was doing. That doesn't make it Joe's fault, but are we going to pretend he didn't know, as he claims? Nonsense. He's unfit. So is Trump.

 

So with two unfit people running, one traditionally unfit (corrupt to the ears, but maintains an outward appearance of propriety) and one untraditionally unfit (morally bankrupt, yet proudly and loudly so). So I go for the policy. There are a lot of voters like me. Dislike Trump, like the policy. 

 

And there are a lot more people like the MAGA crowds, who don't know policy, they just see the huge contradictions in reality. Ben Shapiro's podcast from yesterday is a near-perfect encapsulation of the massive double standard that the less-knowledgeable conservatives, such as my father, can see clearly. 

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Little ben needs much more life experience before commenting on the real world. 

 

Dan on the other hand nails it nicely. 

 

I love when NPC down vote me. Keep it up! 

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2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

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Not only did they conspire to steal the edition by creating millions of votes out of thin air but they convinced the most conservative Court in a generation to go along with it unanimously. How deep does the rabbit hole go, Q?

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12 hours ago, Homestar said:

Not only did they conspire to steal the edition by creating millions of votes out of thin air but they convinced the most conservative Court in a generation to go along with it unanimously. How deep does the rabbit hole go, Q?

Looks like Parler is dealing well with the SCOTUS ruling.

 

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1 hour ago, Breckey said:

Same stuff was circulating on the interwebs four years ago. How many people said they were going to move to Canada?

Yes because moving to canada and starting a civil war are the same thing, and we should have the same response to both.

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7 minutes ago, drewpey said:

Yes because moving to canada and starting a civil war are the same thing, and we should have the same response to both.

Like the civil war people were trying to start this summer for real versus some internet posts no one is reading? Your bias is ridiculous. 

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3 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Like the civil war people were trying to start this summer for real versus some internet posts no one is reading? Your bias is ridiculous. 

So how is what he said an example of bias?  A bunch of whiney babies cried when Trump was elected and said they were moving to Canada (kinda like when a bunch of people did the same when Obama was elected), and there are people (even official GOP people like AZ) saying it's time to fight and be willing to die for Trump.  He pointed out that it is an absurd comparison.  Where's the ridiculous bias?

Are you saying the social justice movements this summer were active attempts at starting a civil war?  

And the people who moved to Parler, or somehow think Qanon is legit, or epoch times, etc. are reading those posts, so not sure why you are so confident no one is reading them.  They're strong in their echo chambers.  Probably safe to say nothing will come of that garbage talk, but to say no one is reading it is what seems ridiculous.

Last point, it is beyond stupid that the GOP is still remaining silent while this kind of talk is ongoing. I have hope the GOP can make some kind of recovery or a move to normalcy again, but their deafening silence makes that tougher.  

If this is another case of me missing sarcasm, my bad.  I don't see the /s this time 😂

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26 minutes ago, slackline said:

So how is what he said an example of bias?  A bunch of whiney babies cried when Trump was elected and said they were moving to Canada (kinda like when a bunch of people did the same when Obama was elected), and there are people (even official GOP people like AZ) saying it's time to fight and be willing to die for Trump.  He pointed out that it is an absurd comparison.  Where's the ridiculous bias?

Are you saying the social justice movements this summer were active attempts at starting a civil war?  

And the people who moved to Parler, or somehow think Qanon is legit, or epoch times, etc. are reading those posts, so not sure why you are so confident no one is reading them.  They're strong in their echo chambers.  Probably safe to say nothing will come of that garbage talk, but to say no one is reading it is what seems ridiculous.

Last point, it is beyond stupid that the GOP is still remaining silent while this kind of talk is ongoing. I have hope the GOP can make some kind of recovery or a move to normalcy again, but their deafening silence makes that tougher.  

If this is another case of me missing sarcasm, my bad.  I don't see the /s this time 😂

I said it’s bias because he’s always blind to the flaws of the Democrats and only keen to get on his high horse about Trump to a ridiculous level. 
 

If by social justice movements you mean violent riots, yeah that’s fishing for a civil war absolutely. 

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21 minutes ago, brabus said:

Damn, parler is more secure than voting. Now ain’t that some shit! 

Odd, Colorado registered me to vote when they issued me an ID card, placed my signature on file, etc. When I voted they mailed it to my house, the address they put in my license. Once it was mailed to me I received emails and text updates on the status of my ballot. Don’t really understand where Parler is more secure than that?

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1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

I said it’s bias because he’s always blind to the flaws of the Democrats and only keen to get on his high horse about Trump to a ridiculous level. 
 

If by social justice movements you mean violent riots, yeah that’s fishing for a civil war absolutely. 

So, just how much violence is required for it to be "fishing for a civil war"?  How many people died?  How many were injured?  How many billions of $$$ were lost in the violent riots that were active attempts at starting a civil war?  How many people has Antifa killed over the years?  

How many died in the Oklahoma City bombing?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but that dude was homegrown.  How much damage was caused?  On par with the violent riots this summer?  

I'm not saying any amount is justified.  It's not.  But I'm just curious what your threshold is for starting a civil war?  

I think you know the answers to those questions.  Right wing extremists have caused way more death and destruction.  Those are the exact same types of people actively calling for war now.  It needs to be discouraged by GOP leadership.  Trump needs to squash that talk.

No one's blind to the incredible amount of flaws in the Democratic party, they suck!  But comparing people on the right who are literally calling for civil war to people who feel targeted by society (and their demand for equality) the same is silly. Are some of the uninformed people in that cause hurting their own cause?  You bet, but they're not calling for civil war.  Who knows?  Maybe you're right.

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5 minutes ago, slackline said:

So, just how much violence is required for it to be "fishing for a civil war"?  How many people died?  How many were injured?  How many billions of $$$ were lost in the violent riots that were active attempts at starting a civil war?  How many people has Antifa killed over the years?  

How many died in the Oklahoma City bombing?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but that dude was homegrown.  How much damage was caused?  On par with the violent riots this summer?  

I'm not saying any amount is justified.  It's not.  But I'm just curious what your threshold is for starting a civil war?  

I think you know the answers to those questions.  Right wing extremists have caused way more death and destruction.  Those are the exact same types of people actively calling for war now.  It needs to be discouraged by GOP leadership.  Trump needs to squash that talk.

No one's blind to the incredible amount of flaws in the Democratic party, they suck!  But comparing people on the right who are literally calling for civil war to people who feel targeted by society (and their demand for equality) the same is silly. Are some of the uninformed people in that cause hurting their own cause?  You bet, but they're not calling for civil war.  Who knows?  Maybe you're right.

You’re laughable...so you probably have a future in politics. 

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56 minutes ago, brabus said:

Damn, parler is more secure than voting. Now ain’t that some shit! 

Not a big surprise considering there is no constitutional clause preventing them from suppressing registrations as they please 

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