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[lloyd christmas]

So, who got to Hunter when all this first started?  It’s pretty obvious that some bad actor on the word stage caught wind of the “US Vice President’s drug addict son”.   Hunter quickly became the easy target for the bad guys to exploit and Hunter quickly sold out.  Joe wasn’t initially involved but got roped in.  And then things got out of control. 

[brabus]

2 hours ago, Pooter said:

You've got a huge portion of the Republican based captured basically beyond the point of no return

Same for the left. It’s disheartening to see it happen on both sides. To the polling topic, we’re not too far down the road from a lot of polling showing a “red wave” in the midterms…it should have been a bloodbath for the Dems, until it wasn’t. The solution is we need candidates who are closer to center and able to actually let the other side speak while actually listening. Whether that person is slightly left or right of center almost doesn’t matter, we just don’t need more candidates who are massively pegged to one side of the spectrum - that’s exactly what we’ve been seeing for too long.

[brabus]

@ViperMan Fair enough, thanks for the reply. Only thing to add…
 

36 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

I don't think those NSA programs were illegal

The courts did in fact find the NSA illegally violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. So yeah, they were illegal, at least in how they were being used. 

[Pooter]

13 minutes ago, brabus said:

Same for the left. It’s disheartening to see it happen on both sides. To the polling topic, we’re not too far down the road from a lot of polling showing a “red wave” in the midterms…it should have been a bloodbath for the Dems, until it wasn’t. The solution is we need candidates who are closer to center and able to actually let the other side speak while actually listening. Whether that person is slightly left or right of center almost doesn’t matter, we just don’t need more candidates who are massively pegged to one side of the spectrum - that’s exactly what we’ve been seeing for too long.

Agree on the polarization 100%. But I think the democrat base would pivot to support another candidate if Biden were to step aside.  Sure the Dems are ideologically captured in some batshit positions but I don't see the same level of loyalty to an individual person like you do with the right base and trump. There are multiple good choices on the right who would easily beat Biden, but it'll never happen when you have 40% of the country ready to Thelma and Louise off the cliff with trump. 
 

[uhhello]

52 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Agree on the polarization 100%. But I think the democrat base would pivot to support another candidate if Biden were to step aside.  Sure the Dems are ideologically captured in some batshit positions but I don't see the same level of loyalty to an individual person like you do with the right base and trump. There are multiple good choices on the right who would easily beat Biden, but it'll never happen when you have 40% of the country ready to Thelma and Louise off the cliff with trump. 
 

Who is the Dem alternative.  They have to have someone in the wings because they know he ain't going to make it to the end of the year.  No chance.  

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

So, who got to Hunter when all this first started?  It’s pretty obvious that some bad actor on the word stage caught wind of the “US Vice President’s drug addict son”.   Hunter quickly became the easy target for the bad guys to exploit and Hunter quickly sold out.  Joe wasn’t initially involved but got roped in.  And then things got out of control. 

joes been involved for a long, long time

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

There are multiple good choices on the right who would easily beat Biden, but it'll never happen when you have 40% of the country ready to Thelma and Louise off the cliff with trump. 

All we can hope for is you’re wrong, but I understand completely why you feel that way. It’s frustrating how many GOP voters can’t pull their heads out of trump’s ass to see the bigger picture. Hopefully that demographic sucks at voting in the primaries and the rest of us vote. It fundamentally comes down to, do you want to win, or do you want 4 more years of disaster? If you want to win, Trump’s the worst horse to pick.

[SurelySerious]

What his followers don’t realize at this point is he’s out there “campaigning” to fundraise for his defense fund- normal ego stroking aside.

[dream big]

We’ll see how tonight goes, I think Trump is an idiot for skipping the debate. I agree Trump needs to go ASAP because I can’t take 4 more years of this blithering fool or his incompetence filled DOD. 

[lloyd christmas]

A large part of me wants Trump to win just to beat the damn system.  He is an ass.  That is for sure.  But, he’s been attacked at every turn for years, often with fabricated stories and complete falsehoods. I’d love to see him continue to take on everything that I see that is wrong with our government and media.  I despise the elites and their double standards in this country to my core.  He’s the only one I see who is fully in the ring with them.  I would like to see him win.  And I would like to see things change.  

And then what if he wins?  We get an even bigger ass with a bigger, louder chip on his shoulder.  We get the other side who will become even more unhinged and desperate to ruin anything and everything he does.  Not seeing any of that outweighs my desire to see him win the next election.  

At this point, I want to see him beat the system in court.  Not in politics. 

I like Ramaswamy.  I’ve been listening to a lot of what he has to say.  He’s certainly refreshing and isn’t part of the system.  

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

A large part of me wants Trump to win just to beat the damn system.  He is an ass.  That is for sure.  But, he’s been attacked at every turn for years, often with fabricated stories and complete falsehoods. I’d love to see him continue to take on everything that I see that is wrong with our government and media.  I despise the elites and their double standards in this country to my core.  He’s the only one I see who is fully in the ring with them.  I would like to see him win.  And I would like to see things change.  

And then what if he wins?  We get an even bigger ass with a bigger, louder chip on his shoulder.  We get the other side who will become even more unhinged and desperate to ruin anything and everything he does.  Not seeing any of that outweighs my desire to see him win the next election.  

At this point, I want to see him beat the system in court.  Not in politics. 

I like Ramaswamy.  I’ve been listening to a lot of what he has to say.  He’s certainly refreshing and isn’t part of the system.  

I was all about trump and the 'change' i hoped he would bring to DC.  He got in and not much if anything really changed.  Naïve of me.  I like Vik because he can have conversations with full sentences and put reporters and others in their place without emotion.  

[brabus]

2 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

At this point, I want to see him beat the system in court.  Not in politics.

Are what ifs open? What if trump told all of his supporters he’s not going to run, he endorses Desantis or Vivek, and he goes after the corrupt establishment as a “civilian” while Desantis or Vivek goes after it as a politician. The team up for a 2-pronged attack would be awesome…but instead trump is an egotistical asshat who just can’t think beyond himself. He could do a lot of good for this country from outside DC, but he can’t see that. 

[Sua Sponte]

4 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

A large part of me wants Trump to win just to beat the damn system.  He is an ass.  That is for sure.  But, he’s been attacked at every turn for years, often with fabricated stories and complete falsehoods. I’d love to see him continue to take on everything that I see that is wrong with our government and media.  I despise the elites and their double standards in this country to my core.  He’s the only one I see who is fully in the ring with them.  I would like to see him win.  And I would like to see things change.  

And then what if he wins?  We get an even bigger ass with a bigger, louder chip on his shoulder.  We get the other side who will become even more unhinged and desperate to ruin anything and everything he does.  Not seeing any of that outweighs my desire to see him win the next election.  

At this point, I want to see him beat the system in court.  Not in politics. 

I like Ramaswamy.  I’ve been listening to a lot of what he has to say.  He’s certainly refreshing and isn’t part of the system.  

He's not beating the Feds, homie. Even if he was elected POTUS and pardoned himself, which will happen, he's still on the hook for the state charges. Between Trump and Biden looks like South Park got it right with the Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich episode.

[disgruntledemployee]

Why do you want Trump to be your knight in shit armor?  He ain't it, man.  Find someone else.  Be like the people that liked Hootie and the Blowfish or Nickelback on Monday, then hated 'em by Friday.

We rightfully chastise Biden for dicking up the role of Commander in Chief.  Trump dicked it up too.  To me, it's like trump took a shit on your doorstep, rang your doorbell, took your American flag, wiped his ass with it, and dropped it at your feet, ask you what are you gonna do about it, flips you double birds, and walks off.

And that is who you want back in office?

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, brabus said:

Are what ifs open? What if trump told all of his supporters he’s not going to run, he endorses Desantis or Vivek, and he goes after the corrupt establishment as a “civilian” while Desantis or Vivek goes after it as a politician. The team up for a 2-pronged attack would be awesome…but instead trump is an egotistical asshat who just can’t think beyond himself. He could do a lot of good for this country from outside DC, but he can’t see that. 

Here's a what-if that I think Trump is too egotistical for...he campaigns deep into the primary. All the dems focus their attacks on Trump. Then at some point he just drops and and endorses someone (probably Vivek given how similar the talking points are).

 

[lloyd christmas]

1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said:

And that is who you want back in office?

Please reread my post if you’re referencing me.  

[BashiChuni]

[Sim]

[Biff_T]

[Day Man]

lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/22/a-key-witness-in-the-trump-classified-docs-case-changed-his-testimony-after-switching-lawyers-special-counsel-says-.html

[brabus]

7 hours ago, pawnman said:

Here's a what-if that I think Trump is too egotistical for...he campaigns deep into the primary. All the dems focus their attacks on Trump. Then at some point he just drops and and endorses someone (probably Vivek given how similar the talking points are).

 

Interesting thought…possible, but unlikely. 

[bfargin]

7 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Words …… Trump dicked it up too.  To me, it's like trump assessed our current condition and against most elected and appointed bureaucratic officials preemptive blocking, established relative peace in the Middle East, took measures to gain energy independence, established fairer trade deals in Asia, encouraged US companies to bring tech and manufacturing home, appointed constitutional  jurist to federal courts, with varying degrees of success - conducted peaceful dialogue with a few rogue nations, stopped catering to the UN’s every silly cause with a strong UN ambassador, considerably shored up the U.S.’ Southern border, helped establish low unemployment while fostering an economy that was firing on most cylinders, low inflation numbers, demanded the world pay a bit more of their share for US assured world peace, (other things I’m forgetting) … then he took a shit on your doorstep, rang your doorbell, …(disagree with this section of your rant) … flips you double birds, and walks off.

And that is who you want back in office?

Not really, but over anything the left offers, I’d take Trump.

I’d love an actual conservative.

[Pooter]

16 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

At this point, I want to see him beat the system in court.  Not in politics. 

I would actually really like to see the system work, the way it would work against you or me if we stored classified docs in our bathrooms and then bragged about it on tape. 
 

Or next to an old corvette easily accessible to crackheads. 
 

You've built up this vague  "system" boogeyman as a sort of foil to trump where any threat to him is just another unjustified attack that he needs to vanquish. Have there been unjustified attacks? Of course. But trump has also dug his own hole in very historic and spectacular fashion. 

[brabus]

If the system worked, we’d probably be seeing trump, multiple Bidens and Clintons, Obama, McConnell, Fauci, etc. all swinging lunch trays at each other in a prison chow hall. If voters just admitted to themselves all of these people are crooks, we’d be better off. However, it is also logically undeniable that the current system (which includes MSM) is heavily targeting political opponents. And that’s what pisses people off. If Fauci and Hunter were going through multiple indictments right now, many people would cool their jets on what’s happening to trump, because at least justice was being administered evenly across the spectrum. 

[kaputt]

All this discussion about voting choices, what are people leaning towards voting in another year? 
 

Personally if Trump is the nominee I will be voting third party. I checked the container next to him twice and won’t do it again. And I sure as hell won’t vote for anyone the left is currently offering up. Now I also live in a deep red state that will go for Trump regardless, so that makes my decision a little easier in terms of potential third party ramifications.

I weep for those of you in swing states if the choice ends up Trump vs Biden (or other wacko leftist).