The Next President is...

[Lord Ratner]

54 minutes ago, gearhog said:

There’s no saving the current financial system. Might as well stand on the gas.

 

Wait a sec, did you come around to my POV?

 

Fuck, I still owe you a response. I'm a bad Internet friend 🤣😂

[FourFans]

On 8/5/2023 at 5:38 AM, ClearedHot said:

One of the most important duties POTUS has is being the Commander in Chief, sending American troops into combat has to be a very difficult burden to bear.  How you handle the aftermath of those tough decisions says a lot about your character.  This video shares a disturbing example of how the current clown in chief handles that responsibility.  

 

So @nsplayr and @Prozac, you both have defended your support of Biden, and you've both been rather quiet recently.  What do you guys think about this?

Edited August 10, 2023 by FourFans

[gearhog]

20 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Wait a sec, did you come around to my POV?

 

Fuck, I still owe you a response. I'm a bad Internet friend 🤣😂

I was attempting to mock that COA, but the resignation is starting to set in. 
 

Dont worry about it, I’ve never liked you anyway.

[Guest nsplayr]

On 8/10/2023 at 12:24 PM, FourFans said:

So @nsplayr and @Prozac, you both have defended your support of Biden, and you've both been rather quiet recently.  What do you guys think about this?

I'll reiterate that I'm not gonna respond to political stuff anymore. There is no need to @ me. I've always been a mainstream liberal democrat, a Kerry-Obama-Obama-Clinton-Biden voter, and probably always will be. If in the future you have questions like, "What would nsplayr think about XX?" you can look at what the mainstream Dems are saying and that's probably close enough for government work.

If you really want to know my political opinions, feel free to reach out and we can hang out in person if you ever visit Nashville or if I'm TDY to wherever you are. I've wasted enough time & energy debating here for 15+ years. For where I'm at in life now, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. It probably never was. Being a keyboard warrior is a terrible hobby that I don't recommend anyone partake in, and I've officially given it up after a long and illustrious career.

I'll probably still comment sometimes on AF-related stuff and my DMs are always open to help out homies who wanna know more about Draco, the Guard, L3 Harris, the MQ-9, Nashville, etc. I've learned a lot about the Air Force, have gotten good advice from older dudes, and have enjoyed all the RUMINT since joining BO.net as a baby 2dLt...I'm still happy to pay it forward to the next guys for whatever my $0.02 are worth.

Edited August 15, 2023 by nsplayr

[herkbum]

I'll reiterate that I'm not gonna respond to political stuff anymore. There is no need to @ me. I've always been a mainstream liberal democrat, a Kerry-Obama-Obama-Clinton-Biden voter, and probably always will be. If in the future you have questions like, "What would nsplayr think about XX?" you can look at what the mainstream Dems are saying and that's probably close enough for government work.
If you really want to know my political opinions, feel free to reach out and we can hang out in person if you ever visit Nashville or if I'm TDY to wherever you are. I've wasted enough time & energy debating here for 15+ years. For where I'm at in life now, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. It probably never was. Being a keyboard warrior is a terrible hobby that I don't recommend anyone partake in, and I've officially given it up after a long and illustrious career.
I'll probably still comment sometimes on AF-related stuff and my DMs are always open to help out homies who wanna know more about Draco, the Guard, L3 Harris, the MQ-9, Nashville, etc. I've learned a lot about the Air Force, have gotten good advice from older dudes, and have enjoyed all the RUMINT since joining BO.net as a baby 2dLt...I'm still happy to pay it forward to the next guys for whatever my $0.02 are worth.

How is NashVegas? Staying busy and are you guard bumming?


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[Biff_T]

@nsplayr

Politics are dumb.  I agree.  Good to see you didn't egress BO. 

This site has helped a lot of dudes out, myself included.   

I always look at the political threads in here as sport bitching.  The kinda stuff my wife doesn't want to talk to me about anymore.  Lol.   I've never argued hoping to change the world on BO, just fun to hear other people's opinions.  

 

[Guest nsplayr]

13 hours ago, herkbum said:

How is NashVegas? Staying busy and are you guard bumming?

 

It’s great man! Fantastic place to live and to visit. I’m staying busy, full-time line IP, not a bad gig. Technically bumming but on several back-to-back 365s which I refer to “the franchise tag” haha. Hope I don’t blow my ACL and the GM has to cut me 😅

Whatcha been up to lately?

[herkbum]

It’s great man! Fantastic place to live and to visit. I’m staying busy, full-time line IP, not a bad gig. Technically bumming but on several back-to-back 365s which I refer to “the franchise tag” haha. Hope I don’t blow my ACL and the GM has to cut me
Whatcha been up to lately?

Loving retirement! The retirement job keeps me on the road half the month but love it when I’m home.


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[HossHarris]

Get a room queers

[herkbum]

Get a room queers

F*** off! I hired him at his ANG and have since moved away.

Looks like is censored

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[brabus]

https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1692282708397863374?s=57&t=kJzkkF_dxqcTfdJgf3sbLQ
 

Really good discussion from Vivek. Even if you hate Tucker, this is worth your time. He actually talks very little (surprising, I know) - it’s mostly Vivek talking. It’s time we have an election that isn’t Trump v Biden (or similar old, rich white dudes). 

[uhhello]

14 minutes ago, brabus said:

https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1692282708397863374?s=57&t=kJzkkF_dxqcTfdJgf3sbLQ
 

Really good discussion from Vivek. Even if you hate Tucker, this is worth your time. He actually talks very little (surprising, I know) - it’s mostly Vivek talking. It’s time we have an election that isn’t Trump v Biden (or similar old, rich white dudes). 

He has my vote by a landslide at this point. 

[brabus]

I’m actually glad trump isn’t going to the debate, now I can actually watch it to help inform my opinion of the primary candidates. But of course in dbag fashion he’s going on tucker at the same time, which also makes tucker complicit in the dbaggery. I really hope people see through that bullshit and watch the debate - you can always watch Tucker’s trump interview later…don’t give trump the satisfaction of a winning a ratings war. 

[pawnman]

19 minutes ago, brabus said:

https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1692282708397863374?s=57&t=kJzkkF_dxqcTfdJgf3sbLQ
 

Really good discussion from Vivek. Even if you hate Tucker, this is worth your time. He actually talks very little (surprising, I know) - it’s mostly Vivek talking. It’s time we have an election that isn’t Trump v Biden (or similar old, rich white dudes). 

I listened to Vivek on the All In podcast and I thought he did a pretty good job. I have some disagreements with him, but at this stage, I think he may be the closest to what I would want in the White House. 

And the left can't accuse him off just being an old white man, so the diversity angle is covered. 

[brabus]

I also like that he’s in his 30s with a family. Even if we’re in different circles of society, or don’t completely agree on everything, I would love to see someone who actually is living in the stage of life with kids at home. I’m sick of some 75+ yr old who is so out of touch with the American family (regardless of which party) but acts like they know what you need. 

[ViperMan]

Vivek loses me when he supports Snowden being pardoned. Who, for the record, is a Russian counter-intelligence professional. A spy who did more damage to our national security than anyone else I can name, except for maybe the Rosenbergs. He has fell, hook, line, and sinker, for a Russian op. Having him as President would be good in some dimensions, and catastrophic in others. Maybe he'll wake up, time will tell. I think his heart is in the right place overall, but he is woefully misled in certain areas.

[brabus]

@ViperManWhat things do you see as catastrophic?

Edited August 20, 2023 by brabus

[brabus]

11 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Vivek loses me when he supports Snowden being pardoned.

I also hated Snowden for years, but there’s a lot to that story that many who hate him don’t actually know. He didn’t just expose a ton of random SAPs, etc, he exposed specific, very illegal, comm collection programs the NSA directed all over, including millions of untargeted Americans and other foreign nationals (as in they collected all their shit as “collateral damage” or “just in case we need it later”). The program was proven to be used for personal gain (agents spying on ex’s and things like that). It was so damning and illegal that congress actually forced change and restricted our intelligence gathering on Joe Blow, which is a good thing. 
 

So that’s just to say I can understand the logic of the action, while also not condoning the mishandling of classified/the method of whistleblowing Snowden took. He did a wrong action to expose incredibly wrong and illegal govt actions vs. millions. So perhaps this is a case of two wrongs make a right, the right being pardon because of the proven govt corruption and illegal shit that was at least attempted to be solved only because of his actions. Would I pardon him? I don’t know, but I can see why someone might. And that’s why this topic does not move the needle for me on Vivek or any other candidate who may say the same. 

[BashiChuni]

21 hours ago, pawnman said:

I listened to Vivek on the All In podcast and I thought he did a pretty good job. I have some disagreements with him, but at this stage, I think he may be the closest to what I would want in the White House. 

And the left can't accuse him off just being an old white man, so the diversity angle is covered. 

agree

[VMFA187]

16 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Vivek loses me when he supports Snowden being pardoned. Who, for the record, is a Russian counter-intelligence professional. A spy who did more damage to our national security than anyone else I can name, except for maybe the Rosenbergs. He has fell, hook, line, and sinker, for a Russian op. Having him as President would be good in some dimensions, and catastrophic in others. Maybe he'll wake up, time will tell. I think his heart is in the right place overall, but he is woefully misled in certain areas.

You'll never find someone who agrees on every issue. And Brabus did a nice job of summing up how many have felt, and now feel about Snowden. 

[Pooter]

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/21/trump-republican-2024-voters-poll

Respondents said they trust trump to tell them the truth more than family members or their religious leaders. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ 

This has moved past ideological capture and into full blown mental disorder. 

[Danger41]

On 8/19/2023 at 10:10 AM, brabus said:

https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1692282708397863374?s=57&t=kJzkkF_dxqcTfdJgf3sbLQ
 

Really good discussion from Vivek. Even if you hate Tucker, this is worth your time. He actually talks very little (surprising, I know) - it’s mostly Vivek talking. It’s time we have an election that isn’t Trump v Biden (or similar old, rich white dudes). 

I listened to this and the highlight to me was about the 35 minute point where he answers the obvious bait question about the alphabet soup people. Good interview and thanks for posting.

[Blue]

3 hours ago, Pooter said:

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/21/trump-republican-2024-voters-poll

Respondents said they trust trump to tell them the truth more than family members or their religious leaders. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ 

This has moved past ideological capture and into full blown mental disorder. 

I don't want to interrupt anyone enjoying their daily dose of political rage-porn.

But I've kind of taken to ignoring any "news story" that begins with the following:

• Recent polls say...
• Studies show...
• Experts say...

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, Blue said:

I don't want to interrupt anyone enjoying their daily dose of political rage-porn.

But I've kind of taken to ignoring any "news story" that begins with the following:

• Recent polls say...
• Studies show...
• Experts say...

Fair enough, lots of polling and the reporting on such polls is click bait-ey.
 

But I'm not sure how else you find out what people think if you don't ask them.  Aggregating poll responses is one of the best ways to find out what Americans think as long as the errors are reasonably controlled for through sample size, demographic representation, and unbiased questions. 
 

CBS/Yougov are a reasonably accurate poll source (B+ according to fivethirtyeight.)  So a poll showing trust for any politician over one's own friends/family/religious leader, is a deeply troubling result.  
 

You've got a huge portion of the Republican based captured basically beyond the point of no return. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out with most roads, unfortunately, leading to a democrat in the White House. 

[ViperMan]

On 8/20/2023 at 9:37 AM, brabus said:

I also hated Snowden for years, but there’s a lot to that story that many who hate him don’t actually know. He didn’t just expose a ton of random SAPs, etc, he exposed specific, very illegal, comm collection programs the NSA directed all over, including millions of untargeted Americans and other foreign nationals (as in they collected all their shit as “collateral damage” or “just in case we need it later”). The program was proven to be used for personal gain (agents spying on ex’s and things like that). It was so damning and illegal that congress actually forced change and restricted our intelligence gathering on Joe Blow, which is a good thing. 

So that’s just to say I can understand the logic of the action, while also not condoning the mishandling of classified/the method of whistleblowing Snowden took. He did a wrong action to expose incredibly wrong and illegal govt actions vs. millions. So perhaps this is a case of two wrongs make a right, the right being pardon because of the proven govt corruption and illegal shit that was at least attempted to be solved only because of his actions. Would I pardon him? I don’t know, but I can see why someone might. And that’s why this topic does not move the needle for me on Vivek or any other candidate who may say the same. 

Based on what you wrote, it's safe to say we have diametrically opposed views on who and what Snowden is and we will not likely reach agreement. I think he is a sock-puppet Russian spy who was specifically designed to take advantage of a certain element within the American psyche that looks to defend the concept of liberty and has a certain default level of distrust in the government - all of which I can understand to some degree, and which I can support given our country's founding on July 4th. It makes him the perfect psyop. You can also look at the precipitous slide in relations between major world powers in the last 10 years (i.e. since 2013 when the revelations happened) and the theft of other computer-hacking tools from the CIA/NSA/etc, which have certainly been used against us to unknown effect and draw a not-so-indistinct line between the idea that a "patriot" traitor inspired other people in positions of trust within our government to betray it. How were those tools "stolen"? Do we even know? Are they being used against us right now?

The bit about how the program was used for personal gain/vendetta carries the same structure as the "guns kill people" argument from the left. Any tool can be used or abused by people with an agenda - that doesn't negate the necessity of the tool. And in any case, the NSA isn't collecting a database of your dick-pics. Even if they were, based purely on volume, they'd only be able to look at a single pic for no more than .000069 seconds.

You call what he did whistle-blowing. I call what he did treason. I don't think those NSA programs were illegal. I think the Russians/Chinese/terrorists, probably already had some general idea that they were going on, but the net effect was to inspire a distrust in the US institutional apparatus...how's that working for us today? So yeah, when Vivek says he would pardon Snowden, he loses me - because it shows me his level of discernment/big picture SA. He has missed the point of Snowden - which was to inspire distrust of our government - not to disclose government programs that basically amount to the government collecting data that everyone was willingly giving to there phone-service provider anyway.