SurelySerious Posted January 9 Posted January 9 about 1/4-1/3 of the fleet is flyableNeck and neck with CV-22 and B-1.
LookieRookie Posted January 13 Posted January 13 On 1/8/2025 at 7:41 PM, illusive said: about 1/4-1/3 of the fleet is flyable Back to circa 2013-2014 when CBM had less than 10 flyable jets. every instrument sortie was a night sortie
dream big Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Surprised this hasn’t come up yet in this forum. At what point on the trajectory to CSAF do they castrate you and remove your common sense making you completely out of touch with reality? The music makes it that much worse. BLUF - In ranks inspection(s) coming to multiple bases near you. What about this makes us more agile or lethal for GPC? https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4026100/csaf-gen-allvin-policy-and-standards-update/ 2 1
uhhello Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, dream big said: Surprised this hasn’t come up yet in this forum. At what point on the trajectory to CSAF do they castrate you and remove your common sense making you completely out of touch with reality? The music makes it that much worse. BLUF - In ranks inspection(s) coming to multiple bases near you. What about this makes us more agile or lethal for GPC? https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4026100/csaf-gen-allvin-policy-and-standards-update/ I think if its just the open ranks inpsections the AF will be getting off easy. I have read much worse. 1
SocialD Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, dream big said: Surprised this hasn’t come up yet in this forum. At what point on the trajectory to CSAF do they castrate you and remove your common sense making you completely out of touch with reality? The music makes it that much worse. BLUF - In ranks inspection(s) coming to multiple bases near you. What about this makes us more agile or lethal for GPC? https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4026100/csaf-gen-allvin-policy-and-standards-update/ Ah yes, this ole' trope. If you put your hands in your pockets, you will screw up the TO and a plane will crash for sure!
Lord Ratner Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, dream big said: At what point on the trajectory to CSAF do they castrate you and remove your common sense making you completely out of touch with reality? Way, way earlier than we all thought. The longer I was in, the more I realized the "good dudes" who became bad leaders were just pretending all along. 2
jrizzell Posted January 14 Posted January 14 The InterWebs is hinting that they’ve heard ACC briefs, that starting in June, UOD will become blues. Man am I glad I retired 1 1
di1630 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I see nothing wrong with this. The USAF has become a jobs program for / of the force. I want my support office workers to understand they are office support, not warriors, aircrew or Mx so wear blues M-Th….that’s how it was before [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]/ and I liked it better. If they take this out on pilots, it will get pushback but I think it’s intended to fight the lack of discipline in the enlisted ranks among support personnel. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1 3
uhhello Posted January 15 Posted January 15 12 minutes ago, di1630 said: I see nothing wrong with this. The USAF has become a jobs program for / of the force. I want my support office workers to understand they are office support, not warriors, aircrew or Mx so wear blues M-Th….that’s how it was before [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]/ and I liked it better. If they take this out on pilots, it will get pushback but I think it’s intended to fight the lack of discipline in the enlisted ranks among support personnel. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Zero chance it will just be 'office workers' 2
cragspider Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Guess McP and Skelator a happy to know they are being dethroned for the most hated CSAF. Glad I’ll have my 214 shield by the time this happens. 1 1
jrizzell Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I see nothing wrong with this. The USAF has become a jobs program for / of the force. I want my support office workers to understand they are office support, not warriors, aircrew or Mx so wear blues M-Th….that’s how it was before [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]/ and I liked it better. If they take this out on pilots, it will get pushback but I think it’s intended to fight the lack of discipline in the enlisted ranks among support personnel. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app“One person shit’s their pants, everyone wears diapers”. Forcing the entire force to wear blues, as uniform of the day, because of some rowdy young enlisted troops is just pathetic leadership. The USAF needs another war, and fast 🤷♂️Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
uhhello Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jrizzell said: “One person shit’s their pants, everyone wears diapers”. Forcing the entire force to wear blues, as uniform of the day, because of some rowdy young enlisted troops is just pathetic leadership. The USAF needs another war, and fast 🤷♂️ Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app We were at peak Iraq war last time it was enacted Edited January 15 by uhhello 2
Smokin Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 hours ago, di1630 said: I see nothing wrong with this. The USAF has become a jobs program for / of the force. I want my support office workers to understand they are office support, not warriors, aircrew or Mx so wear blues M-Th….that’s how it was before [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]/ and I liked it better. If they take this out on pilots, it will get pushback but I think it’s intended to fight the lack of discipline in the enlisted ranks among support personnel. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app I doubt this is what will happen, but I personally think it would be great if it did. If you don't need to wear a specific uniform because of job related physical requirements (pilots, MX, TACP, etc), then put on blues. If you work in finance, personnel, etc then it's not just Blues Monday, but Blues Everyday. You're a REMF; embrace it and do your job so the people that wear functional uniforms don't have to do your job for you. One of the problems of the in lieu of taskings during the height of Iraq was the 'every airman is a warrior' BS. If every airman is a warrior, then it is a logical conclusion that the actual warriors in the AF are no different than the finance troop. I heard Gen Walsh in person tell some random enlisted dude that at any given point he could be the most important person in the AF, as an enlisted maintainer. I think that type of mentality leads to some of the BS we have going on now and fully matures as a E-9 trying to correct a pilot's zipper not being zipped half way up the name tag. The average airman cannot articulate in a single sentence how he supports the kill chain. That's bad.
tac airlifter Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 7 hours ago, dream big said: At what point on the trajectory to CSAF do they castrate you and remove your common sense making you completely out of touch with reality? One of the most pertinacious and wrong ideas which senior Air Force leadership has embraced is this: every standard is equally valuable therefore if your zeal for all standards isn't equal you are unprofessional. They believe a lack of rigidity about seemingly 'small' rules, like Friday patches, will result in negligent fratricide or crashing aircraft, etc. They see (based on faith) a direct link to extreme outcomes for overlooking small infractions. The idea you might ignore trivialities to prioritize important things like victory or safety is anathema and their minds are unable to process this situation. Those of us outside their bubble intuitively understand prioritization is a natural human phenomenon and should be embraced rather than shunned. We want young Captain ACs making decisions keeping missions on task & timeline rather than stopping a joint ROC drill because someone's sleeves are rolled up. But these cultists are like celebrate monks looking at sex, convinced it's the source of all ills and endlessly devising rules to guardrail us from it... not understanding it's literally necessary for the species. In combat prioritization is essential to success; even a cursory examination of military history would prove as much. Look no further than the Taliban and NVA for recent examples proving uniform compliance isn't tied to battlefield objectives; examples are numerous proving the absurdity of their core idea but they can't have the discussion. I've tried. Ask them for proof that selective standard enforcement will result in mission failure and they might have anecdotes but zero data. There is zero data supporting their belief. Ask them if standard compliance is so important, what is our process to test new standards before instituting and what is the process to repeal if data proves it isn't required? No answers. You'll go to SDE and study works from historic military minds, who all sported beards, then be told beards are incompatible with military success. Then you'll go on an exercise with Allied nations who have beards, call them our indispensable partners, then with a straight face tell ourselves beards are unserious for military professionals. This example is just beards but uniforms are the same. Go find paintings of the continental army defeating forces of the tyrant King George and tell me which military has the most standardized uniforms, lol. The answer to your question is the moment you embrace ideas asserted without proof, cannot rationally convince those who ask for proof, trust only those who share your idea and ignore your own obvious intellectual hypocrisy... that's the moment you've gone full retard in pursuit of rank. At that point even losing multiple wars is insufficient to free your mind, you've been captured and are unfit to lead despite what rank or position you hold. This is the unfortunate state of our Air Force. Edited January 15 by tac airlifter 5 2 3
pbar Posted January 15 Posted January 15 If blues are going to be mandatory, could they at least be brought up to 21st Century technology and be wash-and-wear? There is a company that even makes suits that can be washed in a washing machine and worn and it looks just fine.
HuggyU2 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 15 hours ago, cragspider said: Guess McP and Skelator a happy to know they are being dethroned for the most hated CSAF. Who is the 2nd person you're thinking of? Tony McPeak and "Skelator" are the same person. Edited January 15 by HuggyU2
Lord Ratner Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, HuggyU2 said: Who is the 2nd person you're thinking of? Tony McPeak and "Skelator" are the same person. Some people (who aren't dinosaurs like you 😂🤣) thought that skeletor was referring to the guy who followed Mosley, I forget his name, but he was another skeleton-looking mother fucker. 4 1
Biff_T Posted January 15 Posted January 15 27 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: forget his name, but he was another skeleton-looking mother fucker. 1 3 1
cragspider Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: Who is the 2nd person you're thinking of? Tony McPeak and "Skelator" are the same person. Huggy, no disrespect to the ones who served under him and came before my time, I was referring to the other skeleton looking guy who brought back everyone’s fave day, blues Mon. 1
BashiChuni Posted January 15 Posted January 15 13 hours ago, tac airlifter said: One of the most pertinacious and wrong ideas which senior Air Force leadership has embraced is this: every standard is equally valuable therefore if your zeal for all standards isn't equal you are unprofessional. They believe a lack of rigidity about seemingly 'small' rules, like Friday patches, will result in negligent fratricide or crashing aircraft, etc. They see (based on faith) a direct link to extreme outcomes for overlooking small infractions. The idea you might ignore trivialities to prioritize important things like victory or safety is anathema and their minds are unable to process this situation. Those of us outside their bubble intuitively understand prioritization is a natural human phenomenon and should be embraced rather than shunned. We want young Captain ACs making decisions keeping missions on task & timeline rather than stopping a joint ROC drill because someone's sleeves are rolled up. But these cultists are like celebrate monks looking at sex, convinced it's the source of all ills and endlessly devising rules to guardrail us from it... not understanding it's literally necessary for the species. In combat prioritization is essential to success; even a cursory examination of military history would prove as much. Look no further than the Taliban and NVA for recent examples proving uniform compliance isn't tied to battlefield objectives; examples are numerous proving the absurdity of their core idea but they can't have the discussion. I've tried. Ask them for proof that selective standard enforcement will result in mission failure and they might have anecdotes but zero data. There is zero data supporting their belief. Ask them if standard compliance is so important, what is our process to test new standards before instituting and what is the process to repeal if data proves it isn't required? No answers. You'll go to SDE and study works from historic military minds, who all sported beards, then be told beards are incompatible with military success. Then you'll go on an exercise with Allied nations who have beards, call them our indispensable partners, then with a straight face tell ourselves beards are unserious for military professionals. This example is just beards but uniforms are the same. Go find paintings of the continental army defeating forces of the tyrant King George and tell me which military has the most standardized uniforms, lol. The answer to your question is the moment you embrace ideas asserted without proof, cannot rationally convince those who ask for proof, trust only those who share your idea and ignore your own obvious intellectual hypocrisy... that's the moment you've gone full retard in pursuit of rank. At that point even losing multiple wars is insufficient to free your mind, you've been captured and are unfit to lead despite what rank or position you hold. This is the unfortunate state of our Air Force. I can imagine you writing this with a nice glass of expensive scotch in hand. On the rocks. Not too much ice. Extremely well articulated.
BashiChuni Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said: Some people (who aren't dinosaurs like you 😂🤣) thought that skeletor was referring to the guy who followed Mosley, I forget his name, but he was another skeleton-looking mother fucker. 2 1
Lord Ratner Posted January 15 Posted January 15 14 hours ago, tac airlifter said: One of the most pertinacious and wrong ideas which senior Air Force leadership has embraced is this: every standard is equally valuable therefore if your zeal for all standards isn't equal you are unprofessional. They believe a lack of rigidity about seemingly 'small' rules, like Friday patches, will result in negligent fratricide or crashing aircraft, etc. They see (based on faith) a direct link to extreme outcomes for overlooking small infractions. The idea you might ignore trivialities to prioritize important things like victory or safety is anathema and their minds are unable to process this situation. Those of us outside their bubble intuitively understand prioritization is a natural human phenomenon and should be embraced rather than shunned. We want young Captain ACs making decisions keeping missions on task & timeline rather than stopping a joint ROC drill because someone's sleeves are rolled up. But these cultists are like celebrate monks looking at sex, convinced it's the source of all ills and endlessly devising rules to guardrail us from it... not understanding it's literally necessary for the species. In combat prioritization is essential to success; even a cursory examination of military history would prove as much. Look no further than the Taliban and NVA for recent examples proving uniform compliance isn't tied to battlefield objectives; examples are numerous proving the absurdity of their core idea but they can't have the discussion. I've tried. Ask them for proof that selective standard enforcement will result in mission failure and they might have anecdotes but zero data. There is zero data supporting their belief. Ask them if standard compliance is so important, what is our process to test new standards before instituting and what is the process to repeal if data proves it isn't required? No answers. You'll go to SDE and study works from historic military minds, who all sported beards, then be told beards are incompatible with military success. Then you'll go on an exercise with Allied nations who have beards, call them our indispensable partners, then with a straight face tell ourselves beards are unserious for military professionals. This example is just beards but uniforms are the same. Go find paintings of the continental army defeating forces of the tyrant King George and tell me which military has the most standardized uniforms, lol. The answer to your question is the moment you embrace ideas asserted without proof, cannot rationally convince those who ask for proof, trust only those who share your idea and ignore your own obvious intellectual hypocrisy... that's the moment you've gone full retard in pursuit of rank. At that point even losing multiple wars is insufficient to free your mind, you've been captured and are unfit to lead despite what rank or position you hold. This is the unfortunate state of our Air Force. This is a great analysis, but you left out one key point that I fear might be more causal than anything else you wrote. The people at the top instituting these policies made it to where they are specifically because of their ability to master the very insignificant processes that we're talking about. You are asking them to admit that the very core of their success, and thus their identity, is not only irrelevant, but detrimental to the real mission of killing our enemies and breaking their things. They will never do that. 2 2
Guest nsplayr Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 22 hours ago, jrizzell said: The InterWebs is hinting that they’ve heard ACC briefs, that starting in June, UOD will become blues. Man am I glad I retired Fuck me dead do not speak this into existence. About to start an attached flyer staff tour and I swear to Jesus if I have to wear blues everyday I don’t fly I will kick a puppy. I will also fly for 30 mins every single day, sim or combat line 😁 Perks of RPA… Seriously though, what about changing people’s daily uniform makes them more lethal, more ready, better leaders, or better stewards of our limited resources? Which ALQ encompasses dumbfuckery uniform Chiefing, sock measuring, shaving waiver inspection and duck walking so I can give some of our leaders who support this high marks?? I wanna defeat & deter aggression from our geopolitical adversaries - any focus away from that toward excessive bellybutton gazing is misguided. Edited January 15 by nsplayr
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