What's wrong with the Air Force?

[contraildash]

It was a shitshow in AFSOC/HQ with him and Davidson pushing this crap. The best part was bringing up any of the off cycle contingency stuff or MDS’ that didn’t have enough resources to support the construct.


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[08Dawg]

On 12/2/2024 at 10:18 PM, SurelySerious said:

Shocking that you can’t theoretically just pick up a whole wing of the nuclear enterprise and deploy it with no consequences.

Or when every COCOM wants BTFs

[SurelySerious]

Or when every COCOM wants BTFs

You get a BTF, and you get a BTF, and you get a BTF!

If only we had a structure in place to adjudicate global force management and allocation…properly

[yzl337]

On 12/2/2024 at 11:57 PM, contraildash said:

It was a shitshow in AFSOC/HQ with him and Davidson pushing this crap. The best part was bringing up any of the off cycle contingency stuff or MDS’ that didn’t have enough resources to support the construct.


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best part of the day, every day, bringing up that fact in every single forgen discussion. It's fine though, we'll ride this burning train off the cliff, then leadership will look around and ask again "where'd everyone go?"

[AC&W]

2 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

If only we had a structure in place to adjudicate global force management and allocation…properly

The structure is there, the incentive is up for debate.

In a peacetime environment who has the most to benefit in advertising USSTRATCOM assets within the DoD?

Is the leader of an organization with proximity to middle America included in the the answer?

When you can't advertise the other two, the airborne asset is the lead singer, readiness and morale be damned.

[HuggyU2]

Let's see how USAFA reacts to this. 

https://fortune.com/2024/12/06/race-naval-academy-admissions-national-security-dei-affirmative-action-supreme-court/

[HuggyU2]

Well...

The AF people that contracted the renovation were so incompetent that they got taken for $1.2M...

so, they decide to simply tear the building down. 
 

What the fuck is wrong with us? 
 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/air-force-tears-down-historic-wpafb-house-after-12m-renovation/G6KURTKRGRDNNH5HSDHWINP6ZA/

[StoleIt]

2 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Well...

The AF people that contracted the renovation were so incompetent that they got taken for $1.2M...

so, they decide to simply tear the building down. 
 

What the fuck is wrong with us? 
 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/air-force-tears-down-historic-wpafb-house-after-12m-renovation/G6KURTKRGRDNNH5HSDHWINP6ZA/

The renovation was completed in 2011 then basically sat unused as a VIP house. Not saying that was a good use of funds or defending the decision makers here...but it wasn't exactly like the $1.2M was spent last year and it knocked down this year.

They should have just knocked the rank requirement off and given it to an FGO who wanted to live on base, IMO.

[Clark Griswold]

There’s not some random O-6s or above they could have voluntold to live there?

That looked like a beautiful home just worthy of saving because


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[Weezer]

11 hours ago, StoleIt said:

The renovation was completed in 2011 then basically sat unused as a VIP house. Not saying that was a good use of funds or defending the decision makers here...but it wasn't exactly like the $1.2M was spent last year and it knocked down this year.

They should have just knocked the rank requirement off and given it to an FGO who wanted to live on base, IMO.

What isn’t highlighted until pretty far down the article is that it was a DV “lodging” facility…managed by FSS.  Then it was changed back to “housing”, managed by CE.  Those two designations have different codes and requirements and regulations…for better or worse.  So, converting it to meet standards for “housing,” whether for a GO, FGO, or anything else, was going to cost even more.  Based on the other contract costs mentioned in the article, tearing it down was probably the best worst option.

[ClearedHot]

Opinions of lower-ranking troops could soon be considered in officer promotions

"The pilot would include anonymous peer and subordinate feedback to be submitted as part of command selection for O-5 and O-6 ranks."

Our Air Force leadership would look COMPLETELY different.  Douche nozzles like Slife and Cat 5 would be busting rocks in the gulag. 

[CharlieHotel47]

hey bros. Our leadership at our wing is getting out of control. We got a new wing shirt and he has been raising hell about morale shirts. The colored ones one could wear with a flight suit. 

Do any of you guys know of a memo floating around asking for a waiver based on a tier level?

I wish we could just bully our leadership into doing whatever we want as a part-timer. Hate to see my full-time bros suffer through nonsense. 

ANG tanker unit.... 

cheers

[cragspider]

23 minutes ago, CharlieHotel47 said:

hey bros. Our leadership at our wing is getting out of control. We got a new wing shirt and he has been raising hell about morale shirts. The colored ones one could wear with a flight suit. 

Do any of you guys know of a memo floating around asking for a waiver based on a tier level?

I wish we could just bully our leadership into doing whatever we want as a part-timer. Hate to see my full-time bros suffer through nonsense. 

ANG tanker unit.... 

cheers

What the F is a wing shirt? Sounds like to me it’s a made up position for someone’s buddy. Tell them to pound sand and as long as the reg doesn’t say you can’t then proceed on as business usual? 

[brabus]

4 hours ago, CharlieHotel47 said:

ANG

Remind that dipshit this is the guard - we don’t subscribe to dumbassery like the AD. Go do something productive and mission enhancing sergeant.  

[08Dawg]

Doesn’t a shirt have more important things to worry about, like taking care of Airmen?

”Roger” or “noted” are appropriate responses to any bullshit from someone like that. 

[dream big]

36 minutes ago, 08Dawg said:

Doesn’t a shirt have more important things to worry about, like taking care of Airmen?

”Roger” or “noted” are appropriate responses to any bullshit from someone like that. 

When Shirts and Chiefs are on about uniform standards, my assumption is that everything else in the unit including the morale and welfare of the troops is running swimmingly. If that’s not the case, those Shirts and Chiefs should lean forward and choke themselves. 

[HossHarris]

Remember, they’re enlisted and you’re an officer. 
 

every time they speak to you, task them with some trivial bullshit. Bring me the results of the last dorm inspection? How many CE Tickets are still open on the ops building? How about the dorms?  I think the track is a few meters short, go measure it. Get me the names of every crew chief that grew up in Texas.  The more tedious and vaguely personnel related the better. 
 

they’ll leave you the fuck alone when they realize every interaction comes with homework. 

[ViperMan]

9 hours ago, 08Dawg said:

Doesn’t a shirt have more important things to worry about, like taking care of Airmen?

”Roger” or “noted” are appropriate responses to any bullshit from someone like that. 

I prefer something more along these lines.

 

[08Dawg]

Which brings me to another “wrong with the AF” point… we’ve got this ingrained cultural problem where a certain sect of SNCOs feel empowered to and expect that they can just run over captains, majors, and even lieutenant colonels.  I call it “excessive professional deference”. Sure, you’ve been in longer and I respect your technical competence, but the last time I checked, an O-3 or O-4 still outranks an E-7, 8, or 9. Don’t like it?  Tough shit, MSgt…go to OTS and get a commission. 

[SurelySerious]

Which brings me to another “wrong with the AF” point… we’ve got this ingrained cultural problem where a certain sect of SNCOs feel empowered to and expect that they can just run over captains, majors, and even lieutenant colonels.  I call it “excessive professional deference”. Sure, you’ve been in longer and I respect your technical competence, but the last time I checked, an O-3 or O-4 still outranks an E-7, 8, or 9. Don’t like it?  Tough shit, MSgt…go to OTS and get a commission. 

And if we’re really honest sometimes it’s technical and strategic incompetence, but I digress. True story, you want the authority and responsibility then you go commission.

[Sua Sponte]

17 hours ago, 08Dawg said:

Which brings me to another “wrong with the AF” point… we’ve got this ingrained cultural problem where a certain sect of SNCOs feel empowered to and expect that they can just run over captains, majors, and even lieutenant colonels.  I call it “excessive professional deference”. Sure, you’ve been in longer and I respect your technical competence, but the last time I checked, an O-3 or O-4 still outranks an E-7, 8, or 9. Don’t like it?  Tough shit, MSgt…go to OTS and get a commission. 

Blame the commanders that enable this behavior.

[SocialD]

25 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Blame the commanders that enable this behavior.

 

I blame the CC's, but I also blame officers who allow these types of acts to go unchecked.  You're an officer, don't be afraid to act like it.  Just don't be a dick and be right.  On the spot correction are powerful and can quickly straighten up any culture of lax good order/discipline.  In 22 years of enlisted and officer service, outside of some punishment I had to hand out as a CC, I can only remember two situation that rose to the level of "get in this office and shut the door," type corrections.  Both situations were as a Captain and Major, and I never heard a thing about them again, and more importantly, they worked. 

[Sua Sponte]

4 hours ago, SocialD said:

 

I blame the CC's, but I also blame officers who allow these types of acts to go unchecked.  You're an officer, don't be afraid to act like it.  Just don't be a dick and be right.  On the spot correction are powerful and can quickly straighten up any culture of lax good order/discipline.  In 22 years of enlisted and officer service, outside of some punishment I had to hand out as a CC, I can only remember two situation that rose to the level of "get in this office and shut the door," type corrections.  Both situations were as a Captain and Major, and I never heard a thing about them again, and more importantly, they worked. 

Aren’t you a Guard/Reserve Baby? If so, vastly different than being active duty. 

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Aren’t you a Guard/Reserve Baby? If so, vastly different than being active duty. 

Only once on AD (as a Capt) did I have to do a closed door correction on a SNCO. Never had any negative reactions from it. As SocialD said, don’t be an asshole, but as an officer, grow a fucking pair and act like it (and don’t be wrong when you have to do it).

[Lord Ratner]

I found it easier to just pretend you had no idea the rule existed, or that you forgot. Playing dumb was a surprisingly powerful tool in an organization where the entire officer system was predicated on the officers voluntarily pushing themselves to the limit on the hopes of securing promotions. 

 

And in Bagram, my missing reflective belt was always wherever I was going. I kept one at the squadron and one in my room for the rare time an SNCO wanted to call my bluff and follow me to the destination. Drove them bonkers.