What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Biff_T]

47 minutes ago, FourFans said:

There's always a chance.  Never give up hope!

[uhhello]

17 hours ago, busdriver said:

The one on the left looks to be fake.  I'd guess AI.

Big ole man hands on the old lady if it's real.

man hands?  Those would be hulk hands on that body

[brabus]

And “health” is misspelled on the sign behind “her.” This is AI or a shitty photoshop job. And Gen Dumbass bought hook, line and sinker. 

[Biff_T]

Hellth, A's are for pussies! 

16 hours ago, brabus said:

And “health” is misspelled on the sign behind “her.” This is AI or a shitty photoshop job. And Gen Dumbass bought hook, line and sinker. 

 

[ClearedHot]

Looks like some leadership folks at Minot picked sides and implied negative career action should you attend a Charlie Kirk rally...supposedly it was corrected.

Critics bash Minot AFB after airmen told to avoid conservative rally

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

Looks like some leadership folks at Minot picked sides and implied negative career action should you attend a Charlie Kirk rally...supposedly it was corrected.

Critics bash Minot AFB after airmen told to avoid conservative rally

You're a whole page behind 🙂

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

Looks like some leadership folks at Minot picked sides and implied negative career action should you attend a Charlie Kirk rally...supposedly it was corrected.

Critics bash Minot AFB after airmen told to avoid conservative rally

At a certain point you realize that most people don't actually have political views. They have political positions. The difference is that a view requires research, dialogue, analysis, and for many things political, there's not a lot of reason for someone to do that. Why learn about abortion if you're not getting an abortion? Should the average American really have an opinion on Palestine when they don't even know where it is on a map? 

 

So whereas the military leadership class used to be conservative, it wasn't because they had conservative views, it was just because they wanted to be a part of the group of people who had conservative positions. Their superiors.

 

Now that we are in a rapidly changing political environment thanks to the spread of populism, the military leadership class is suddenly seeming much more liberal than the lower ranks, because the political establishment of Washington is fiercely anti-populist, including most of the legacy Republicans. 

 

They were never conservative, and they're not truly liberals or progressives now. They're just yes-men. Groupies. Sycophants who will morph into whatever they believe will please their bosses most. And since Charlie Kirk runs on a platform of "government is the problem" and makes no exception for big-government Republicans, obviously the power players on Washington are going to despise him. And like good little soldiers hoping for a reward, the generals will follow suit, threatening the careers of anyone who dares question or criticize the political "leaders" the generals hope to please and one day join.

[ClearedHot]

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

[SocialD]

24 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

 

 

Well, that ought to take of any morale that was left!  If the public only knew how much Jack Daniels has helped forged their steely eyed killers... 

[skibum]

49 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

I can just image the investigations that would ensure were I still a Wing Commander. I actually kept booze on my side table and frequently had my commanders sit in lawn chairs outside my office on Friday to drink and smoke cigars. I even had big parties at this secret place we called...shhh, don't tell the USA Today...the "Officer's Club".

[Lord Ratner]

6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

Nice to see the senior ranks are finally feeling some pain from the pearl-clutching alcohol hysteria aimed at the worker bees for all these years.

 

I always loved getting lectured on responsible drinking by a Colonel who had a bottle of scotch in his desk and some less-than-sober pictures scattered around "heritage rooms" from their CGO days.

[disgruntledemployee]

7 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

And after his inspection, the General went to his office, opened the cabinet, poured 3 fingers of something smooth, stared out the window and wondered, "what the fuck is this world coming to?" and took a swig.

[disgruntledemployee]

On 11/28/2023 at 8:33 AM, Lord Ratner said:

At a certain point you realize that most people don't actually have political views. They have political positions. The difference is that a view requires research, dialogue, analysis, and for many things political, there's not a lot of reason for someone to do that. Why learn about abortion if you're not getting an abortion? Should the average American really have an opinion on Palestine when they don't even know where it is on a map? 

 

So whereas the military leadership class used to be conservative, it wasn't because they had conservative views, it was just because they wanted to be a part of the group of people who had conservative positions. Their superiors.

 

Now that we are in a rapidly changing political environment thanks to the spread of populism, the military leadership class is suddenly seeming much more liberal than the lower ranks, because the political establishment of Washington is fiercely anti-populist, including most of the legacy Republicans. 

 

They were never conservative, and they're not truly liberals or progressives now. They're just yes-men. Groupies. Sycophants who will morph into whatever they believe will please their bosses most. And since Charlie Kirk runs on a platform of "government is the problem" and makes no exception for big-government Republicans, obviously the power players on Washington are going to despise him. And like good little soldiers hoping for a reward, the generals will follow suit, threatening the careers of anyone who dares question or criticize the political "leaders" the generals hope to please and one day join.

Oh wait, before I go...

I see what you're saying, but I cannot vision it.  Is that what you mean?

[dream big]

On 11/30/2023 at 4:41 PM, ClearedHot said:

The 'John Wayne Saloon': How day drinking went undetected at one of America's top military bases

No more day drinking and does not speak well to the survival of other secret drinking venues...IYKYK.

Sounds fun! Not seeing the problem here

[LiquidSky]

Because f*ck anyone that doesn't work a normal day shift schedule.

No more late night beer runs — AAFES to end overnight alcohol sales in 2024

In a move aimed at suicide prevention. stores on Army and Air Force bases worldwide will stop selling alcohol after 10 p.m. Beer, wine, and spirits will only be sold between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. at all Base Exchanges, Shoppettes, Express shops, Class Six, and other stores run by AAFES.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by LiquidSky

[uhhello]

1 hour ago, LiquidSky said:

Because f*ck anyone that doesn't work a normal day shift schedule.

No more late night beer runs — AAFES to end overnight alcohol sales in 2024

In a move aimed at suicide prevention. stores on Army and Air Force bases worldwide will stop selling alcohol after 10 p.m. Beer, wine, and spirits will only be sold between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. at all Base Exchanges, Shoppettes, Express shops, Class Six, and other stores run by AAFES.

 

 

In my 12 years overseas, it was a constant cycle of this.  Never saw it standard across the board though.

[Standby]

2 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Because f*ck anyone that doesn't work a normal day shift schedule.

No more late night beer runs — AAFES to end overnight alcohol sales in 2024

In a move aimed at suicide prevention. stores on Army and Air Force bases worldwide will stop selling alcohol after 10 p.m. Beer, wine, and spirits will only be sold between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. at all Base Exchanges, Shoppettes, Express shops, Class Six, and other stores run by AAFES.

 

 

If you’re too dumb to grab your booze before starting your shift or after it ends…maybe you shouldn’t be destroying more of those braincells? I don’t agree with the why behind it, but I also don’t see 2200-0600L sales restrictions being unnecessarily burdensome. 

[LiquidSky]

17 minutes ago, Standby said:

If you’re too dumb to grab your booze before starting your shift or after it ends…maybe you shouldn’t be destroying more of those braincells? I don’t agree with the why behind it, but I also don’t see 2200-0600L sales restrictions being unnecessarily burdensome. 

Because there's times you alert at 0400 to show at 0500 then fly a 17 hour day (fragged for 10) due to various delays, and the entire crew could really use a beer after that.

[Standby]

17 minutes ago, LiquidSky said:

Because there's times you alert at 0400 to show at 0500 then fly a 17 hour day (fragged for 10) due to various delays, and the entire crew could really use a beer after that.

If you’re alerting from your squadron and you don’t have a stocked bar, shack your LPA. If it’s from a forward location, shack yourself for not keeping a stash of road sodas for morale after demonstrating exemplary performance. 

[Prosuper]

On 11/15/2023 at 5:59 AM, Danger41 said:

Just stay in, have the kid, take a year off, never be available when you come back, schedule kid appointments in the middle of the day, come off sorties constantly because “the baby had a rough night”, get sent to the wing after the article about being a fierce fighter pilot Queen that can do it all, get tagged for a deployment, immediately get pregnant again, repeat cycle. 

Happens in MX too, had a troop have 3 babies in 5 years, she was our training NCO, just making everyone got scheduled and we had no red slides. She was an SRA then when it was time to come back to the flight line, she had a line # for Tech. She was given a jet as a DCC with strong SSGT who the actual Crew Chief was. I felt sorry for her, she thought she would stay in the training the office but her rank and DAFSC required us to put her on the line.  Also spending 4 years being pregnant she put on weight, and the fat boy program was messing with her to get it off. She was a great troop but being short and top heavy she chose to separate. If she was ops I would imagine her life would have been easier but MX at this time we were short of everything, and she had to pick up a wrench.

[arg]

3 hours ago, Standby said:

If you’re too dumb to grab your booze before starting your shift or after it ends…maybe you shouldn’t be destroying more of those braincells? I don’t agree with the why behind it, but I also don’t see 2200-0600L sales restrictions being unnecessarily burdensome. 

Had to double check this wasn't Chang.🙂 Unnecessarily burdensome? No. Unnecessary useless bullshit? Yes.  

This was done at Hurbie, 2008ish?, to stop DUIs, lasted a short few months. How about this idea. Reverse the hours and stop selling during the day because it promotes day drinking. Same logic eh. 

Planning is cool but you do get a bit of the stink eye walking out of the express at 0630 with a 30 rack of natties on your way to crew brief.

That being said I lived in Santa Rosa county for many years with alcohol sales restrictions. You learned to plan around those. Got to the Navarre Winn Dixie one night after a flight at 1155 got to the checkout at 1159, just made it.

Not saying you agree with the restrictions

Edited December 3, 2023 by arg
Because

[tac airlifter]

Prohibition doesn't work, and I'm sick of the knee jerk reaction to ban things for promises of safety.  The same GO restricting booze sales to "keep Airmen safe" doesn't think twice about dropping a tasker at 1700 on Friday and sending those Airmen home to a furious wife after the kids are asleep.  In my experience senior leadership should look in the mirror when trying to understand rising suicides in their force. Instead, they hit the easy button of restrictions & claim a halo for their duplicity.

[ClearedHot]

9 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Prohibition doesn't work, and I'm sick of the knee jerk reaction to ban things for promises of safety.  The same GO restricting booze sales to "keep Airmen safe" doesn't think twice about dropping a tasker at 1700 on Friday and sending those Airmen home to a furious wife after the kids are asleep.  In my experience senior leadership should look in the mirror when trying to understand rising suicides in their force. Instead, they hit the easy button of restrictions & claim a halo for their duplicity.

Even worse the same GO's give themselves a personal waiver.  DJ was the perfect example, the non-SOF folks could have two beers per day (SOF was under GO 1 and could have two beers once a month), meanwhile the colonels and GOs would sit in the screened in porch at the while house drinking bourbon and scotch until two in the morning.

[SocialD]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Even worse the same GO's give themselves a personal waiver.  DJ was the perfect example, the non-SOF folks could have two beers per day (SOF was under GO 1 and could have two beers once a month), meanwhile the colonels andGOs would sit in the screened in porch at the while house drinking bourbon and scotch until two in the morning.

 

Ya, that never made sense to me.  When I was there way back when, we worked in the SOF compound and I was surprised to hear they had this rule.  On the flip side, the Navy O-5 exec (Hornet driver), would blanket approve our memo anytime we asked to pick up the entire squadrons beer allotment at one time.  Do that enough times and you have a nice setup, especially when there were non-drinkers in the mix.  

 

To your last comment, we all know damn well that the bosses we're doing that.  If you're not in the Col club to drink their booze, make friends with the Guard squadron on base...

[Swizzle]

2 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Prohibition doesn't work, and I'm sick of the knee jerk reaction to ban things for promises of safety.  The same GO restricting booze sales to "keep Airmen safe" doesn't think twice about dropping a tasker at 1700 on Friday and sending those Airmen home to a furious wife after the kids are asleep.  In my experience senior leadership should look in the mirror when trying to understand rising suicides in their force. Instead, they hit the easy button of restrictions & claim a halo for their duplicity.

So...alcohol sales will discontinue until morale improves!?