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The best advice I've received since getting passed over came from another man who had a similar experience (checked the right boxes, nothing negative, excellent line operator, surprise non-promote): "Your life just got a lot easier, you just don't know it yet." He pointed out the importance of people (for however long they might stay in the AF) that can call a spade a spade without worrying if it will hurt their promotion chances. He also pointed out that once you're done in the USAF, no one gives a second thought to if you're a retired major, colonel, or general...it simply doesn't matter. If you're a pilot, a dispatcher, driver, or someone else, that's your job, end of story. He flies big civil planes now where his work day is done and he's headed home before the engines stop spinning, and a driver is waiting on him to take him to the hotel which is already paid for. (strange how you never hear about dispatchers, drivers, and baggage handlers in private aviation demanding the same treatment as pilots at those companies in name of "fairness") That perspective made me realize it doesn't matter who gave the "you're not promoted" news nor how. No changing it, and it's the AF's loss. No matter how important they might be saying pilot retention is, they've made it clear again that line performance will not get you promoted nor continued. To the AF, it all boils down to lines of text on a piece of paper, regardless of how excellent your aviation record, how many lives you've saved, or how many combat sorties you've flown. To me, none of that defines my value as a pilot or a person. If the AF doesn't want talent, that's their problem, not mine. How much more do I need to know? FF

It is also apparent that the following announcement would hold more people than the bonus: "No more 365's. Period. For anyone."

Big Blue would be smart to kill all non-vol 365s and offer targeted bonuses for 365 volunteers. Kind of like the airlines do for oversold flights. Who wants a Baghdad 365 for $15k? No takers? How about $20k? $30? And so on. Take the non vol 365 heinosity off the table, increase flight pay significantly for all flyers while also reducing home station queep and they might have a chance to keep a few folks. Someone who wants the cash will eventually bite on the 365 as the dollar amount goes up. FAR cheaper than dumping cash at dudes serving concurrent ADSCs.

In an age when the bonus is supposed to be getting better, it's somehow gotten worse for 11Hs. From 25K over 9 years to 28K over 5 years. Fck this shit.

Surprised? Nope! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

"Turkey to fast-track draft bill approving troop deployment in Qatar (7 June):" Hopefully these 3,000 Turks wont be bedding down on Al-Udeid. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/07/turkey-to-fast-track-draft-bill-approving-troop-deployment-in-qatar-officials.html Additional info; "Revealed: Secret details of Turkey's new military pact with Qatar;" https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-qatar-military-agreement-940298365

F'n A Cotton

The fact that they're considering only core AFSCs as subgroups and not like-RDTM code subgroups harkens to the stupidity of the VSP days when we had too many "pilots"...despite being critically short in certain airframes (AFPC translation = RDTM)...and then masses of KC-10 or other subgroups of "pilots" abandoned ship en mass. Only after approving large portions of certain squadrons did AFPC catch their error and adjust the next Force Shaping programs decisions upon aviators on RDTM codes. History...its important... Oh yeah, nice "business case" and nice doing business with you

Unless you graduated nav school in FY11 which means your UFT ADSC expires in FY17, you're ineligible. No other ADSCs count. The 12x bonus is so narrowly focused as to be laughable, and really just a slap in the face. AFPC reported there are twenty-two total 12Bs elligible, AF wide. Hooray, getting to do the exact same job for $15K less...

The fact that you were willing to think the advice may have been relevant to you guarantees that it probably wasn't directed at you. It's a contradiction. That is the toughest part of an"unrecognized loss of SA"

1:30 to 3:00 One of these people speaking get it, the other does not. Goldfein's stance of "I know what's good for you" is absolutely infuriating. As a senior major and having been a (real) flight CC in charge of 60 people, I can absolutely say I never want to lead a group again. It was good, I enjoyed it, learned a lot from the E2-E8s under me, and respect the career field i led greatly, but all I want to do is what I said I wanted 13 years ago when I signed up, to be a damned pilot. F you dude.

SNAPs get what's coming to them. This would have been collateral damage.

Hah, I am sure DFAS could handle that.

Not surprised at all considering the shit show of announcement of the one back in Feb of 16. That one rolled a while.

The minute the Air Force: a) ...puts Integrity First; 2) ...starts to realize the "Self" means a person is involved; and d) ...becomes Excellent at SOMETHING with regards to this shit show; ...then I'd expect others to reciprocate back to the Service and stop voting with their feet. This one-way covfefe (which has lasted for nearly 3 DECADES, for those keeping score at home) has gone on long enough. I've worked in this current job for a few years in the Puzzle Palace. I've learned promotability drives action and inaction. MOST of your GOFO members are at the summit of their careers. What drives many of them is achieving escape velocity to move on to the next job or to maximize retirement years. The very last thing many of them want is someone making waves in their portfolios since they can't go any higher. Kind of ironic considering our greatest Air Force heritage is "change"...

MyPers O-4 release status board updated, pushed back to Late June - Mid July

The Deid won't be touched. The other countries are uninterested in impacting the base, and have made that clear Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Word from NGB yesterday was that they were still "constructing" ARP... wtf? AD and AFRC already released their AvB.

This would be aviation by congressional committee. It would take the 10 flight engineers three days to agree on TOLD. Heaven help you if the runway changed.

Navy guy trying to get the #2 wire no doubt Sent from my SM-G935V using Baseops Network Forums mobile app

Lucky bastards.

Bravo ..... from waaaay back!

True, you need someone else to fly while you get ATIS

No uncommited eligible option. Im actually surprised. 1-2 yr option is great for those few people who are waiting out a pcs adsc. I bet that inflates the take rate and allows afpc to claim victory.

Holy thread revival batman! Losing airmanship has been a going trend. It leaves more to be learned on aircraft specific handling later on, but the brain bites opened up for learning systems management (FMS, HUD flying, systems, etc) earlier in on makes it an even tradeoff. Most modern aircraft have built in redundancies and safety features that make advanced stick and rudder airmanship less of a requirement. For better or worse, modern jets won't kill you as readily as the F-104, so do we really need a trainer that mimics that lethality? I'm on both sides of the fence having seen what happened in the C-130 community when we went away from the T-44/C-12 training pipeline...which was overall a negligible impact on the community as a whole. I'd prefer stick and rudder skills, but the mission also needs a more broadly trained pilot now.

I guess that gouge worked out for Brabus

Does this mean Qatari customs dolts will be bigger a-holes? I personally know of several aircrew to be permanently banned from country: one for having a can of dip, one for having a funny moustsche drawn on his CAC, and one for "making a funny face" at a customs dude. The Deid is reason 847 why guys are bailing left and right. F that place and F the Qataris.

Holy sh!t. Over 10 years; that's one hell of an achievement.

The biggest problem with Texas is all the Californians relocating here!

Well I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but if you insist... My personal experiences with safe spaces is limited since I haven't lived there in two decades, but my TV and internet still work, so I know that they exist at UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Santa Cruz and many other locations. Schools that have historically been the poster children for free speech and expression now suppress free speech and expression if it there is potential that it could offend. Adam Carolla and Denis Prager have started a documentary after being cancelled at universities for just discussing the matter. Safe spaces didn't exist when I was growing up in California, but I saw plenty of examples of what is now becoming commonplace in terms of suppressing anything that the (leftist) norm disagrees with. Only hours after the Gulf War campaign was announced, I walked home through a massive march of "Peace Protesters" who were the absolute opposite of peaceful. My high school had a weekly free speech debate on various topics, and the two absolute outcasts were a Christian fundamentalist and a military brat who were routinely booed from the platform. One of my high school friends enlisted in the army after the Gulf War kicked off, and when I walked with him in public in his uniform, I saw him get heckled by random people on the street. The students at my college tried to shut down the ROTC program because they thought it bred baby killers. The list goes on, and while I'm know it's not indicative of everybody in California, it's absolutely a sample size.

I start to get sore and floppy after about 3

I wasn't sure who it was directed at but I figured it was quality advice for a newbie regardless

Having lived in California for my first 22 years and Texas for a total of nine (including the last six), I wholeheartedly disagree with this. If you're talking about environmentals and landscape, California wins unless you're into miserably hot and dusty yellow. Austin is a rare exception, but it's more like California because of the culture than the landscape. Now if you're talking about the people, Texas wins hands down unless you like hanging out with a bunch whiny little bitches who don't want you to infringe on their safe space.

I always say thank you. But the other day I had a paparazzi moment. I was in the car wash and on my cell phone trying to discuss a referral for off base with flight medicine. An old guy is trying to ask me what I do as I'm moving to avoid him. It was very rude. Respectf the bubble. When I see famous people, I keep on walking and don't bother them. I feel like it has to be really annoying having people f with you everyday. Not everyone is like Shaq. He will come up and start talking to you out of the blue. Make you have a WTH moment. To earn money for the Navy booster club we got the opportunity to do security at an All Star game in DC because of our security clearance levels and Shaq did that to me. Then his manager asked for 20 Nestle crunch bars for the big guy. This was back in 1999 or 2000.

If an elderly person sees you on your phone talking to someone, last time I checked its rude for them or anyone else to interrupt you unless its an emergency. Pretty sure I stated I was on the phone trying to coordinate for my own medical needs. Hell, I could have been talking to your wife and he didn't need to hear the things we talk about. Unless you are going to coordinate for the movement of my records for treatment, I don't see the point in your post at all. Flight medicine issued a referral off base. Why the hell didn't they have me sign a medical release form the same day? After trying to setup my appointment a week later, the off base doctor needed my records and the release form. You try talking to anyone after all that BS on multiple phone conversations. I'm embarrassed by our medical in comparison to my old lady's. My old lady saw me wait 2 hrs for a post operation prescription on base. I guess it never registered to the pharmacy tech I was post op after saying it 5 damn times with a huge bandage on my neck. I had to go off base to have my prescription filled after waiting 2 hours. And you want to take a shot at me trying to coordinate for my medical? If I were you, I would focus more on why your wife is always scrolling through FarmersOnly.com.

What in the world are you talking about? Can you provide some examples of your personal experience with "whiny little bitches who don't want you to infringe on their safe space?" I ask because I was stationed there for two years in the Army and five years in the Air Force. I went to grad school at UCLA. I have skied every mountain (except June Lake and Northstar), kayaked nearly every river, and surfed from Santa Barbara to San Diego. I have even spend many a fun weekend in San Francois with my wife. I think the single most annoying person I ever ran across in all of that time covering every inch of that state was one D-Bag in Monterrey who was smoking a joint just steps away from a restaurant we ate at. My Texas experiences? Just like California without the outdoor activities I love. You sound like someone from Georgia talking about New York in 1859.

Fair enough. The whole "safe space" thing certainly belongs right here in the wtf thread!