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I was obviously unclear in my point, which is my mistake. I was not arguing that Air Force pilots do not have exposure to Air Force enlisted. I was arguing that Air Force pilots do not have exposure to the enlisted in the army and the Marines, which are an entirely different animal than enlisted airmen. What is required to motivate, discipline, and control enlisted airmen is not the same as what is required to motivate, discipline, and control soldiers and grunts. That's not from personal experience, obviously, it's from the experience of friends and family who were in the army and Marines. And it's from observations made of the absolute daily shit show that was the Marine Recon unit in Moron. And the army/Marine units in Bagram. If you think the enlisted communities between the services are the same, then we just have to agree to disagree. Different jobs, different applicant pools, different acceptance standards, and different expectations. Maybe @Lawman or @VMFA187 could chime in with more first-hand experience than I have. I don't think in-ranks inspections are coming from an Air Force perspective. It's coming from the bigger services and the AF is going to be along for the ride.

Multiple decades, multiple platforms, communities, MAJCOMs, and GCCs. Have watched our support functions go down the drain across the board and the burden continue to be delegated to the ones on the pointy end that actually need the most support to do their jobs, take care of their families, and execute the Service’s core missions. But it wasn’t until leading hundreds of enlisted Airmen across scores of AFSCs that I truly felt the “what are we doing here” hit me in the deepest parts where I’d previously managed to keep alive that spark of pride of service. Showing up late, leaving early, doing the bare minimum and often not even that… some not even able to wear their uniforms, no interest in the actual mission (sometimes lip service and often complaining, but no motivation when given opportunities to participate)… an unhealthy focus on unearned awards, decs, inflated EPBs, and “good deals”… Get off the flight line for a tour or two into a job where enlisted outnumber officers by 100:1 and you’ll see. But at the same time I can’t blame “the enlisted”. It’s culture. It starts with accessions and boot camp, tech school, senior enlisted, and the officers that lead them. That is not to say a single officer can make the changes needed — despite higher leadership edicts and Dunning-Kruger-officer platitudinisms to the contrary. That may sound bitter, but I’m not passed over or at risk of not promoting again. It’s watching officer peers promote with half the motivation, half the understanding of the mission, half the time in service (when weekly input/output is considered), and embodying all of the same “enlisted” issues highlighted above, at senior grades, that is crushing… but they checked the boxes. It’s institutional, and maybe we should start there.

I hear you, but I’ve supervised, rated, and commanded hundreds of enlisted of various AFSCs; while there are definitely some tards out there, most of them were solid hard working Americans. Some needed time to mature, some needed mentorship, but most just did their job and kept their nose down; in ranks inspection isn’t going to move the needle on the underlying issues with the junior enlisted.

Didn't fly the AT-6B but I know any variant of the T-6 sustains energy better than a 38 which we got by with for well over half a century. And the cherry on top is your ASD can be longer than a 0.8 😆

Are you sure you're a herk dude? All the herk dudes I've known weren't BALBA's...🤔

Hear me out here. Lets just give the tower or ground crews universal fuel shutoff switches to aircraft engines. Every guy on the line and in the tower has kill switch app on their phone. Problem solved.

You have a habit of being wrong in this thread, but at least you're consistent. Never been accused of being a fighter pilot before 😂🤣

This may help: https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/preview/321142

You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons!

Wonder who he works for now. Drones, they got some pretty high speed ones nowadays.

Fair enough, allow me to amend my statement: Clearly he's not an airlift pilot. I know many tanker pilot that I like. I also know for a fact that airlift and tanker mentalities are distinctly different. They both go push hard to hack missions, but they hack very different missions with very different users. Airlift pilots (my perspective being as a 20 year C-130 guy) interface daily with all ages, all ranks, and most services. We get to taste the how and why of pretty much every corner of the military with few exceptions. That allows the opportunity to gain a broad perspective. Granted not all of us take that opportunity, but it's there nonetheless. From an airlifter's perspective, our community was screwed over by more than one tanker pilot commander trying to run airlift units like tanker units...(which incidentally was the only time I ever experienced an open ranks inspection after basic, thanks two tanker O-6's who's names I shall not repeat, but I digress)...which has left a long-standing scar tissue in the memory of many a herk driver. In the end I said what I said. Ratner sounds like he thinks his perspective as a pilot is one we all share, when in fact it is not. It's been a trend these past few days over several threads: The air India crash was caused by a bad FO, then pilots should shut down motors in response to events they can't even physically see, now pilots need to understand the importance of discipline because we live in a bubble and don't understand the rest of the military. Wrong on all fronts. Three times is a trend.

Definitely Little Rock area. ASP and Arkansas LE in general has some real gems and have for many years. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjEhKTnlMCOAxX04ckDHboYPR4QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kark.com%2Fnews%2Fworking4you%2Farkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WALwAbj99a9jKiqfbIYE4&opi=89978449 Arkansas trooper retires after PIT maneuver on wrong car | thv11.com Most agencies don't want to fund air units because of the cost but if you ask me to avoid one multi-million-dollar lawsuit its paid for itself. Not to mention realizing you're never going to outrun an aircraft you have a substantial deterrent effect.

Graphic said 2x 22 and 2x 35 but I only saw 3. Solid 10 seconds post anthem. okay. 10 percent rule.

He was 100% a mobility pilot. We were stationed together on KC-135s.

Where? What kind of aircraft? How late?

Terrible TOT for All Star game flyover

This might be the first time I've agreed with @disgruntledemployee, but I've seen a 10 knot wind make the engine windmill enough during the walk-around that looked to me like it could cut off an arm. Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP. Your eyes are 95% inside on the ground if you're not moving. Absolutely 0% chance that I'd notice someone running towards the engines and think "I bet they're going to commit suicide, I'd better shut the engines down just in case."

Or a super drink off, bunch of amateurs around here! (Spoiler, the first round will be too close to call)

No me gusta. This also sucks: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/post/worker-dies-getting-trapped-machine-tinas-burritos-factory-vernon/17114124/

Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here. Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed. Only way this is getting solved.

Obviously you're not a mobility pilot. You sound more like an eagle driver who's only interaction with E's was when you yelled at your crew chief. Another swing and a miss. Many AF pilots are intimately familiar with actively leading 18 year-old aircrew, maintainers, and support troops. Talk to any AC who's taking crewed aircraft on a 3 week trip or any major who's been a detco for weeks on end. Your experience is not everyone else's. Maybe come out of your echo chamber. I've worked indepth with many marines. They agree: Open ranks inspections are worthless outside of boot camp. They pursue discipline in far more functional and useful ways.

Over the last 25 years I've been on this forum, I thought I'd already read the most inane and pointless chaff possible. (checks Baseops and reads this thread) Ope, I guess not. This is the low-water mark. Carry on.

No, it's like saying engines keep spinning around and a round. It's not a Vitamix. They don't immediately stop when the gas is shut off. Even a stiff breeze can get the fan spinning quite fast, maybe enough to cause deadly injuries. Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. Bud, the forum has spoken. No need to go full tard on this. Brakes? Really?

Question for any 11F who flew the AT-6B, did it have enough power with the new engine and prop combo to sustain energy to be useful for some lead-in fighter training?