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On 9/11/2018 at 9:28 PM, SocialD said:

Still not worth it to spend a majority of your time behind a desk pissed off that the network is down, yet again, while trying to email off that .xls/.ppt you've been working on all morning...all while flying as much as a part-timers.  Last month I made more in a 3 day trip than I would have as an AGR (or GS-13) for an entire month.  

Nailed it!

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8 hours ago, BeerMan said:

Thanks!

If you're looking for the pay tables.  Pilots are paid at the 2181 (aircraft operator) rate.  Click here and scroll all the way down to the bottom of the Occupation drop down.  Then click on 0558 (0558A = Alaska, 0558H = Hawaii, 0558P = anywhere else NOT CONUS).  Historically, wingman/FL started out at GS-12 step 1 and IPs started out at GS-13 step 1.  As I mentioned in my previous post, they're now giving brand new flight leads GS-13 step 1 (with a tech bonus).  If someone came off active duty with more quals (FAC-A/WO/etc..), and wanted a technician spot, some squadrons have been successful in bringing them in at a much higher step.  Not certain, but I think we secured at GS-13 step 6 or 7 for a guy before.  Each base/state is different so ymmv.  

If I remember correctly you moved up in steps via the following...1 year for steps 1-3, 2 years for steps 4-6, 3 years 7-9.  That said, there are ways to step dudes up faster, but your leadership has to be willing to do that and there are some limitations on how often it can be done.  From what I've seen with the this, is it can vary wildly depending on squadron leadership and state HRO.  It used to be that our leadership rarely ever "quick stepped" (not sure of the proper term), but another Viper squadron in the state did it as a standard practice.  

As a technician you also get 48 UTAs, 36 AFTPs and 15 days of AT orders a year.  These pay cards are worth 1/30th of your base pay + flight pay.  If your squadron has an alert det you can also work that for some extra pay days.  With all these extras, I think our techs are easily able to make an extra 35-50k+ on top of their base GS-13 pay.  We do 4 day work weeks so that makes it easier for techs to make extra $$$.  Also, our home station alert offers unique opportunities to make extra as well...without ending up like Fresno lol.  

If I were are young guy under the new retirement system and I could snag a GS-13 early,  I would consider that over an AGR.  With a step or two, the mil pay, current bonus and double dipping, you could easily be making over 150k as a young Captain.  This becomes an easy decision if you plan on going to the airlines soon anyway.  I'll take the extra cash now over a few extra retirement points (or whatever they get under the new system) for when I turn 60.  If I were a guy coming of AD under the old system then I'd clearly want an AGR.  Just remember that the taxman cometh with civ vs mil pay.   

I should caveat this entire post with the fact that in my 17 years in the ANG, I've been in pretty much every status you can be in BESIDES technician.   I have just learned A LOT about it over the years and have seen it work for some.   

   

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Depends on the state, but I'd take AGR every day, even as a young guy unless you're getting hired as a 13 step 3+ with bonus. It takes about step 7 with full bonus to equal AD Maj pay unless your location is getting awesome locality rates. And then even if your take home pay is matched to AD, you still are dealing with all the bullshit of the GS system. 

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On 9/9/2018 at 1:57 AM, HuggyU2 said:

Would you clarify this?  

You cannot fly for hire between indoc and training?  Or ever?  

Not sure I saw this answered, but here is the verbiage in the contract:

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N. Professional Flying Service

This Agreement contemplates that pilots shall devote their entire professional flying service to the Company, except that nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prevent any pilot from affiliating with the military service of the United States.

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Lawyer as you will.

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Which airline?  

Dies their FOM address it to?  If so, Does it expand the options?

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On 9/15/2018 at 12:53 PM, brabus said:

Depends on the state, but I'd take AGR every day, even as a young guy unless you're getting hired as a 13 step 3+ with bonus. It takes about step 7 with full bonus to equal AD Maj pay unless your location is getting awesome locality rates. And then even if your take home pay is matched to AD, you still are dealing with all the bullshit of the GS system. 

As a Maj coming off AD, AGR is a no-brainer and you're right it would highly depend upon the squadron.  I'm talking a younger guys who just finished the FLUG in an alert squadron.  We have Captains that still have 4 years until their ADSC expires (thus no AGR bonus for a while) who are making 60-70k more as a GS than they would as an AGR.  They will work on a Friday (non workday for us) here and there and sit a 3ish alerts a month (AGRs sit 4-7/month).  Even with that they only work an extra day or 2 more than most AGRs and sleep in their own beds more than our AGRs (ref...alert).    

 I used to be the biggest hater of technician status.  However, the 25% bonus and alert are game changers.  If I'm a young guy who thinks they're going to go to the airline anyway I'm going technician, cash is King!

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18 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Which airline?  

Dies their FOM address it to?  If so, Does it expand the options?

AA

Nothing in the FOM about it, based on my 15 second Control-F.

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2 hours ago, SocialD said:

    

 I used to be the biggest hater of technician status.  However, the 25% bonus and alert are game changers.  If I'm a young guy who thinks they're going to go to the airline anyway I'm going technician, cash is King!

Do not go Tech, for Tricare alone.  Catastrophic illness?  It will break you no matter how good Blue Cross/Shield look day to day (financially).  Trust me, I’ve seen it.

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1 hour ago, matmacwc said:

Do not go Tech, for Tricare alone.  Catastrophic illness?  It will break you no matter how good Blue Cross/Shield look day to day (financially).  Trust me, I’ve seen it.

My out of pocket max for Blue Cross is like $4k ($8k for the family). We could each have a million dollars in medical bills and never pay more than that. 

When was this that you saw someone with insurance who was broken financially because of catastrophic illness? 

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My out of pocket max for Blue Cross is like $4k ($8k for the family). We could each have a million dollars in medical bills and never pay more than that. 
When was this that you saw someone with insurance who was broken financially because of catastrophic illness? 


Lifetime or annual?


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My out of pocket max for Blue Cross is like $4k ($8k for the family). We could each have a million dollars in medical bills and never pay more than that. 
When was this that you saw someone with insurance who was broken financially because of catastrophic illness? 
My Fed BCBS paid for a $200,000+ surgery and only had maybe $1,500 out of pocket expenses. Tricare, while free, can be a PITA sometimes if you have to use it alot. A lot of providers don't take it.

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Get real sick, run out of all leave, lose health insurance after a grace period.  Have fun.

Dont be an ART

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56 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

Get real sick, run out of all leave, lose health insurance after a grace period.  Have fun.

Dont be an ART

Why wouldn't this someone just sign up for different insurance if they knew their plan was expiring? Especially if they were sick? 

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5 hours ago, Gazmo said:

My Fed BCBS paid for a $200,000+ surgery and only had maybe $1,500 out of pocket expenses. Tricare, while free, can be a PITA sometimes if you have to use it alot. A lot of providers don't take it.

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With the Recent advent and popularity of super high deductible catastrophic insurance plans .... lots and lots of places are real happy to take tricare. Especially independent docs and specialists. They know they’ll get paid. 

 

We haven’t had any issues using tricare standard everywhere 

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1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Why wouldn't this someone just sign up for different insurance if they knew their plan was expiring? Especially if they were sick? 

With what money?  Medicare has a 6 month wait to receive insurance.

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Just now, matmacwc said:

With what money?  Medicare has a 6 month wait to receive insurance.

 

23 hours ago, matmacwc said:

Do not go Tech, for Tricare alone.  Catastrophic illness?  It will break you no matter how good Blue Cross/Shield look day to day (financially).  Trust me, I’ve seen it.

 

2 hours ago, matmacwc said:

Get real sick, run out of all leave, lose health insurance after a grace period.  Have fun.

Dont be an ART

I thought your original argument was that Tricare is worth consideration because of coverage during catastrophic illnesses. 

Now I have no idea what you're arguing. If you lose your job and lose your insurance and have no money the bills will "break you"? I agree. Isn't that the same on Tricare? 

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