BFM this Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Anyone else read the writeup in CAF Fighter FB page. Seems like a reasonable attempt to answer a lot of these questions. Proof will be in the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, BFM this said: Anyone else read the writeup in CAF Fighter FB page. Seems like a reasonable attempt to answer a lot of these questions. Proof will be in the pudding. Cliff notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Science project. In the research/data gathering phase with emphasis on accepting limitations and/or debunking hypotheses, but also not loyal to traditional dogma. Exploring all off the shelf technology readily available, including VR and limited "AI" (quotes to caveat a limited subset of AI, not necessarily learning, but programable feedback mechanisms). If the original poster wants, he can put his full writeup here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 It also sounds like a lot of solutions in search of problems. They have a list of technologies they want to use, but don't appear to have a corresponding list of applications for said technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I think some of the tech he mentioned seems like it could certainly enhance training, but none of that will replace air time. I fully support finding ways to do things better and not sticking with the status quo because "that's how it's always been," but what HAF won't admit is you can't take this tech and replace air time, let alone cut UPT length by 50%. We're already in a shitpie with dangerous, non-mission capable FNGs, cutting 6 months out of the pipeline, regardless of new tech, will be disastrous. If HAF would admit this new tech will improve training (but won't replace air time, i.e. UPT stays 1 year), then I'd applaud them for doing something that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 People will die. Period. Hope it’s worth lives. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I recommend pushing flight hours *earlier* in training, not later, by contracting a commercial-instrument rating for pilot selectees in a single-engine airplane *prior* to UPT. The vision: - Air Force generates a syllabus for civilian flight schools. - Instead of casual status, students fan out across the country to go get flight time prior to UPT. - Students earn 250+ hours in a single engine airplane a <$200/hr. - Students build air sense, learn to communicate on the radios, learn how to learn to fly, etc... - All students start UPT having completed a commercial-instrument and complete a short baseline academic syllabus to account for variance in civilian flight schools. - Air Force spends less time (money) teaching the basics and more time (money) on teaching "military" flying (formation, energy mgmt, etc). - Air Force avoids having to teach "air sense" at $600/hr in the T-6, much less $1,500/hr in the T-1, $3,200/hr in the T-38, or say... $8,200/hr in the F-16. - Hell... I had students come to me in the schoolhouse that couldn't enter a VFR traffic pattern, make a CTAF call, or recite their cloud clearances. I shouldn't be teaching this stuff in an aircraft that costs more than $200/hr to fly. IMO, this knowledge is the price of entry, not even worth reviewing in the FTU. Yet... here we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetfreezer Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, FlyLow said: I recommend pushing flight hours *earlier* in training, not later, by contracting a commercial-instrument rating for pilot selectees in a single-engine airplane *prior* to UPT. The vision: - Air Force generates a syllabus for civilian flight schools. - Instead of casual status, students fan out across the country to go get flight time prior to UPT. - Students earn 250+ hours in a single engine airplane a <$200/hr. - Students build air sense, learn to communicate on the radios, learn how to learn to fly, etc... - All students start UPT having completed a commercial-instrument and complete a short baseline academic syllabus to account for variance in civilian flight schools. - Air Force spends less time (money) teaching the basics and more time (money) on teaching "military" flying (formation, energy mgmt, etc). - Air Force avoids having to teach "air sense" at $600/hr in the T-6, much less $1,500/hr in the T-1, $3,200/hr in the T-38, or say... $8,200/hr in the F-16. - Hell... I had students come to me in the schoolhouse that couldn't enter a VFR traffic pattern, make a CTAF call, or recite their cloud clearances. I shouldn't be teaching this stuff in an aircraft that costs more than $200/hr to fly. IMO, this knowledge is the price of entry, not even worth reviewing in the FTU. Yet... here we are. Wasn't that the pre-Pueblo IFS (not all the way to CSEL/250 hours, but PPL level)? Even with a syllabus it would need a lot of standardization to prevent students from picking up bad habits from CFIs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 Merry Christmas from the geniuses at the staff. And no, I don't know where I got them. There's a few more, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Stupid question, what does P4 mean? Saw it referenced numerous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Those slides are cool and all but I missed the part where it addresses retention. Can you imagine being the poor SOB Maj type stuck on the staff having to deal with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Little bit about that on these. I particularly was surprised about the USAF JROTC flying academy. Edited December 23, 2017 by matmacwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, YoungnDumb said: Stupid question, what does P4 mean? Saw it referenced numerous times. Public-Public, Public-Private Partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I love how they keep mentioning the T-X and accelerating its aquisition, but yet the AF keeps kicking that can down the road due to lack of funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Hell they couldn’t see the massive airline hiring about to take place 3 years ago and kicked out a bunch of pilots, but they are already looking at 2033. I’m sure they got it this time. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 LOE 4 on the last slide: analyze the definition of “experienced.” Wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, Champ Kind said: LOE 4 on the last slide: analyze the definition of “experienced.” Wow. That and decreasing the first assignment is going to work out awesome I’m sure. At least the slides will be greened up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Who cares about actual abilities to hack the mission? So long as manning looks good on the weekly slideshow, everything else is secondary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 5 hours ago, dream big said: Those slides are cool and all but I missed the part where it addresses retention. Can you imagine being the poor SOB Maj type stuck on the staff having to deal with this? You mean the Maj who signed the bonus and doesn’t understand why his peers are bailing for a greener grass? He/She deserves to be stuck with this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimius Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 ...because screw helicopter pilots...? ...standard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Those slides are a fucking cluster fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Those slides are a ing cluster The USAF is managed by fvcktards who with their years of AU schooling couldn’t lead a Lt to a strip club.None of this surprises me. Sad to see some good dudes working the issues hard only to see them hosed by the inept leadership above them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 8 hours ago, YoungnDumb said: Who cares about actual abilities to hack the mission? So long as manning looks good on the weekly slideshow, everything else is secondary Yepp, this will cost lives like sequestration; except this time Air Force leadership will be directly responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 looks like they got a hundred different bad ideas to herd lots of new pilots into the same broken organization but they have only a few to keep them. apparently neck and back preventative care is one of their best ideas. funny how many of the common grievances are simply ignored. the answers have been shouted at their faces for years and they refuse to acknowledge them. let the whole thing rot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriously Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 15 hours ago, magnetfreezer said: Wasn't that the pre-Pueblo IFS (not all the way to CSEL/250 hours, but PPL level)? Even with a syllabus it would need a lot of standardization to prevent students from picking up bad habits from CFIs. Yes. It was called "IFT." Wasn't the precursor to IFT, T-3s at Hondo? Like a dog chaising it's tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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