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10 hours ago, Kiloalpha said:

Interesting. Maryland would have to agree to that, as the Constitution requires a new state made from the lands of another to have that state’s approval.

Still poses a legal question, as the district was designed to have its own National Guard and City Government that answers to the Federal Govt. for protection’s sake. That’ll get bogged down for years. 

No, you shrink the federal district so you don’t have to make a new state. 

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President Trump has refused to openly acknowledge if he loses, he'll allow for a peaceful transfer of power... Instead, he chooses to continue pushing the narrative that the only way he loses is via fraud. Sounds like he's a pilot on baseops. About par for the course.


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2 hours ago, slackline said:

President Trump has refused to openly acknowledge if he loses, he'll allow for a peaceful transfer of power... Instead, he chooses to continue pushing the narrative that the only way he loses is via fraud. Sounds like he's a pilot on baseops. About par for the course.


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Has any president come out and said "I'll step down if I lose the election"?  

This is a recycled talking point from the GW Bush years.  I'll believe it when I see it.

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You guys are asking the wrong question. Has any president ever not been willing to admit if he loses, it's just because he lost?

Hardly recycled from Bush.

Say squirrel all you want. Is this truly important? Very well could be, but it could also be more bloviating from an expert in the area. It is more evidence to his true lack of any leadership ability though.


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I’m not going to claim I’ve heard/read every statement the president has made regarding election results, but I’ve seen several taken wildly out of context, as he was specifically addressing the mail-in ballot shit show, which opens up the system for fraud. Hell, even absentee ballots aren’t without risk of fraud, and the mail-in ones people want are even less resistant to fuckery.

There’s a long list of things that contradict your claim of “void of any leadership.” I get it you don’t agree with some (most?) of his admin’s policies, but your disagreement is not a corollary to lack of leadership. Just as I don’t agree with many Obama policies and did not like him as president, but I will never say Obama lacks leadership capability. 

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I’m not going to claim I’ve heard/read every statement the president has made regarding election results, but I’ve seen several taken wildly out of context, as he was specifically addressing the mail-in ballot shit show, which opens up the system for fraud. Hell, even absentee ballots aren’t without risk of fraud, and the mail-in ones people want are even less resistant to ery.
There’s a long list of things that contradict your claim of “void of any leadership.” I get it you don’t agree with some (most?) of his admin’s policies, but your disagreement is not a corollary to lack of leadership. Just as I don’t agree with many Obama policies and did not like him as president, but I will never say Obama lacks leadership capability. 

That's legitimate. I can respect that.

I have listened to his words from this time exactly. Unless someone is acting as an apologist for him, hard to misinterpret.

As to leadership, I have to disagree. I love where he has taken the country in some things with respect to other nations. Other things not so much. I'm not referring to his actions per se, but the way he does what he does. If you call that leadership, then we have starkly contrasting definitions on what a good leader is. To me, and probably most of the world, it also requires a "how to treat people, and interact with the world" aspect. He doesn't seem to care. It isn't refreshing.

By the way, I seriously disliked the Obama administration, but that man has those leadership traits in spades over current CinC.


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It’s funny that you mention about the definition/perception of leadership. I’m in a group on Facebook for USAF O’s (long story...) and there are a TON of posts in there about leadership development techniques, styles, etc. Every one that I have seen is generated by and subsequently flooded by a bunch of medical and MSG O’s. I posted one time that my leadership philosophy and mentorship program was primarily getting young guys to study and be good at killing the enemy (tangible results). They looked at me like I had 3 arms because I didn’t want to take the time to sing kumbaya and get to know the feelings of every individual. To them, that’s leadership even if the ability to do their job suffers. To me, doing the job at a high level and producing results is what matters. I’ll admit that the President sounds like a dipshit very often but he produces some good results. The former president definitely made people feel better about themselves but was light on things that mattered (I know that’s a gross over-simplification). 
 

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3 hours ago, slackline said:


That's legitimate. I can respect that.

I have listened to his words from this time exactly. Unless someone is acting as an apologist for him, hard to misinterpret.

As to leadership, I have to disagree. I love where he has taken the country in some things with respect to other nations. Other things not so much. I'm not referring to his actions per se, but the way he does what he does. If you call that leadership, then we have starkly contrasting definitions on what a good leader is. To me, and probably most of the world, it also requires a "how to treat people, and interact with the world" aspect. He doesn't seem to care. It isn't refreshing.

By the way, I seriously disliked the Obama administration, but that man has those leadership traits in spades over current CinC.


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1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

It’s funny that you mention about the definition/perception of leadership. I’m in a group on Facebook for USAF O’s (long story...) and there are a TON of posts in there about leadership development techniques, styles, etc. Every one that I have seen is generated by and subsequently flooded by a bunch of medical and MSG O’s. I posted one time that my leadership philosophy and mentorship program was primarily getting young guys to study and be good at killing the enemy (tangible results). They looked at me like I had 3 arms because I didn’t want to take the time to sing kumbaya and get to know the feelings of every individual. To them, that’s leadership even if the ability to do their job suffers. To me, doing the job at a high level and producing results is what matters. I’ll admit that the President sounds like a dipshit very often but he produces some good results. The former president definitely made people feel better about themselves but was light on things that mattered (I know that’s a gross over-simplification). 
 

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You can do both though and your people will love you infinitely more for it. Or you can be like every other commander that breaks their organization to make a stellar OPR. 

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3 hours ago, slackline said:

I love where he has taken the country in some things with respect to other nations. Other things not so much. I'm not referring to his actions per se, but the way he does what he does.

I understand your perspective, and I think it is valid. Perhaps the “perfect” leader would be Trump’s production combined with Obama’s emotional intelligence/communication ability ( I know that’s very simplistic). I do not like how Trump communicates or even does some things, but I place a lot of importance on what his administration produces. While I prefer him to not suck so bad at comm and significantly lacking in emotional intelligence, he produces a lot and in the end, those results are worth far more than a leader who talks a good game and makes me feel good, but doesn’t do shit to help _____ / fucks ____ up wholesale.  

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So true. Superb Packaging would be great, but if the product alone is superb than I will continue to drink the awesome Cool Aid despite its packaging to be blunt. Function before fashion, always. Not always easy to be Fashionable and Functional.

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I guess I'm just not seeing the same awesome results you guys are... He's done some good, but I'd say the balance is not in his favor. I'm not here to say anything that hasn't already been explained, then completely ignored on here.

One thing Pres Trump has going for him is the inexplicable ability to inspire absolute loyalty in spite of his obvious lack of concern for anything or anyone but himself. His followers, because I don't know what else to call them, have an amazing ability to ignore everything he says and does that is clearly beneath his station while buying everything he says is "thanks to him" as gospel truth.

Obama created a serious divide in our country, and Trump thought it looked like fun, so he's run with it on steroids.


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6 minutes ago, slackline said:

Obama created a serious divide in our country...

can you expand on what you're referencing here?

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19 minutes ago, slackline said:

I guess I'm just not seeing the same awesome results you guys are... He's done some good, but I'd say the balance is not in his favor. I'm not here to say anything that hasn't already been explained, then completely ignored on here.

One thing Pres Trump has going for him is the inexplicable ability to inspire absolute loyalty in spite of his obvious lack of concern for anything or anyone but himself. His followers, because I don't know what else to call them, have an amazing ability to ignore everything he says and does that is clearly beneath his station while buying everything he says is "thanks to him" as gospel truth.

Obama created a serious divide in our country, and Trump thought it looked like fun, so he's run with it on steroids.


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I think the serious divide began when Gingrich was Speaker and trying to start some “Us vs Them” tribalism partisan showdown between the parties with Clinton e.g. the budget and subsequent shutdown, impeachment, etc. 

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12 hours ago, slackline said:

President Trump has refused to openly acknowledge if he loses, he'll allow for a peaceful transfer of power... Instead, he chooses to continue pushing the narrative that the only way he loses is via fraud. 

Trump will "allow" for the peaceful transition of power...  That is out right funny considering members of the democrat party are openly calling for violence and mayhem before, during and after the election.  Along with all of the other temper tantrum tactics like impeachment, stacking the SCOTUS, adding States, mail in voting shenanigans, false narratives when it comes to race relations, etc.  And the defund the police bullshit coming from democrats in democrat run cities is part of the plan too.  Let's make sure the police departments are in a really bad spot when it comes to dealing with democrats "burning it all down" when Trump runs the tables on November 3rd.  At least Bloomberg isn't out there violating election laws by paying off criminal's fees in Florida so they can vote.  Oh wait. Yes he is...   

And the alternative???  Biden?  That dude is the literal architect of the 1994 crime bill.  He sniffs and rubs up on women and children.  His son is a train wreck who made millions off of the very countries that Democrats accuse Trump of being in bed with.  

I used to be a middle of the road guy when it comes to politics.  I have always just wanted left alone.  I am a simple Texan.  But this is fast becoming right vs wrong IRT policies and politics.  I would so much rather have the loud mouthed New Yorker who gets shit done and protects the country instead of someone in the Democrat party who has been in DC for almost 50 fucking years. 

The republicans don't owe the democrats shit when it comes to a SCOTUS pick after the Kavanaugh debacle.  Trump is the President and there is a republican senate.  There will be a 3rd Trump SCOTUS justice.  

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19 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

The republicans don't owe the democrats shit when it comes to a SCOTUS pick after the Kavanaugh debacle.

are you suggesting that if the "kavanaugh debacle" didn't happen republicans would "owe" the democrats or are you just that drunk on your own koolaid?

You seem to be fairly solidified in your stance and well versed in the republican talking points.  I hate to break it to you, but reading your post you weren't middle of the road, you were just confused brah.

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42 minutes ago, drewpey said:

You seem to be fairly solidified in your stance and well versed in the republican talking points.  I hate to break it to you, but reading your post you weren't middle of the road, you were just confused brah.

You are right.  I am solidified in my stance.  However, I am willing to change my mind and my vote.  Sell me on the modern day democrat party, it's tactics and it's candidate.  

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2 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

At least Bloomberg isn't out there violating election laws by paying off criminal's fees in Florida so they can vote.  Oh wait. Yes he is...   

What election laws did he violate? Florida law allows criminal fines and fees to be paid off by third parties and the money was donated to a third party charity organization that has also had $6M donated by other celebrities. There are no stipulations who the recipients vote for or even if they vote. How is this restitution any more of an attempt to garner votes than the payroll tax deferral that Trump says may be permanent if he wins?

The legislation passed that imposed the fee restrictions was passed AFTER an Amendment was passed by referendum restoring voting rights for felons, essentially nullifying the will of the people.

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Like it or not, the Kavanaugh train wreck gives some Republicans who took the “not in an election year ever” stance in 2016 (looking at you Lindsay Graham) cover.

Some people... it’s less forgivable. But I genuinely think Lindsey means it. He’s not faking it for at least a bit of it here: 

This started with Bork. It reached peak insanity with Kavanaugh. Republicans largely voted for Dem nominees, but I think the goodwill is gone.

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Worker bee FBI agents working the Crossfire Hurricane investigation took out professional malpractice insurance revealed yesterday due to "7th Floor" direction of investigation (7th Floor = FBI Director's Office).

FBI knew that the primary source used by the Steele Dossier had been investigated by the FBI as a "threat to national security" from 2009-2011 via a counter-intelligence investigation.  Never revealed that to the FISA court.

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Kavanaugh really did change things. I wasn't around for Bork or Thomas. The Kavanaugh hearings were the first time I could see an actual difference between the parties in terms of morality. And it was stark.

 

Honestly I don't even like using the term "Democrats" anymore, because it does not draw a distinction between voters who are registered with or consider themselves a part of the Democratic party, and the politicians in the party at the federal level. The voters I have no beef with, just a disagreement on the best way to accomplish largely the same goals. The politicians however, I believe to be in many cases irredeemable.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3

Obviously theater as it would require an amendment to really implement this and the current POTUS would veto it. 

However, the concept doesn't even seem that well thought out. Would voters be aware that when they elect a President they are also electing to Surpreme Court Selects? It would completely change elections because it would swing voters to vote for judges instead who would have a much longer appointment than POTUS. 

How is it Congress can get on board with term limits for other offices but can't get on board with term limits for their own political machines? 

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