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So if u retire as an AGR with a reserve retirement(get bennies starting at 60), do u get any final move pcs entitlements?  ie, will AFRC pay to move u to ur final destination?  I immediately think no way, but figured I’d ask. 

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So, not sure if there's gouge on here.  I applied for retirement, got orders, finished TAP this week (for the second time.)

However, now all the places I need to outprocess are closing and the medical follies flight is cancelling anything below urgent treatment.

Stop-Loss would be ok (especially w/ the PT test waived)...I just don't want the hurry up and wait and then gotta move ass on fire and sell back leave.

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On 3/19/2020 at 12:24 AM, ThreeHoler said:

You can retract a separation up to 30 days prior to the separation date under current COVID-19 related guidance.


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Anyone have a specific link on mypers? I did a cursory look and couldn’t find anything that specifically referenced covid 19 and delaying separation. 
 

I did find a Separations PDG from Aug 2019 that talks about cancelling a DOS, but didn’t have specifics about changing an established DOS. 

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On 3/20/2020 at 9:15 PM, 17D_guy said:

So, not sure if there's gouge on here.  I applied for retirement, got orders, finished TAP this week (for the second time.)

However, now all the places I need to outprocess are closing and the medical follies flight is cancelling anything below urgent treatment.

Stop-Loss would be ok (especially w/ the PT test waived)...I just don't want the hurry up and wait and then gotta move ass on fire and sell back leave.

A good friend of mine just slipped his retirement 90 days with Covid as the justification. Zero resistance. 

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Make sure he tells DFAS - Retired (Indy) that the date has changed.  That didn't happen automatically for me and they started my retired pay too early.  DFAS AD and DFAS Retired don't really talk to each other.  Took a full year to unfuck the whole thing.

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On 3/26/2020 at 7:20 AM, herkbier said:

Anyone have a specific link on mypers? I did a cursory look and couldn’t find anything that specifically referenced covid 19 and delaying separation. 
 

I did find a Separations PDG from Aug 2019 that talks about cancelling a DOS, but didn’t have specifics about changing an established DOS. 

In that PDG it gives you directions to a link in vMPF for self service actions.  Follow that link and it brings you to a page to cancel/move your DOS.  You can do either from the link.  I just applied to cancel mine (unfortunately) today. You will just need a brief justification as to why.

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I got a MFR signed by my Wg/CC saying that he supports my approved separation date to be removed and AFPC told me that they’re stopping all action on moving/removing separations because  HAF/A1 is looking to secure funding for all the unanticipated people trying to stay in. Anybody have any words on the progress of that funding? 

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On 3/31/2020 at 12:51 AM, disgruntledemployee said:

Make sure he tells DFAS - Retired (Indy) that the date has changed.  That didn't happen automatically for me and they started my retired pay too early.  DFAS AD and DFAS Retired don't really talk to each other.  Took a full year to un the whole thing.

Good advice right there. In my case they did not allow me to get my official “Retired” card until the day after my final date. They warned me that Retirement pay/benefits process would absolutely not start until I turned in my Active Card (AGR) for the Retired Card. It was about 3 days after my final date that I swapped cards and I actually was paid within the following month. Heard 2-3 months is normal and retroactive just so you know. I was fortunate I guess. 

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On 4/25/2020 at 1:46 PM, Danger41 said:

I got a MFR signed by my Wg/CC saying that he supports my approved separation date to be removed and AFPC told me that they’re stopping all action on moving/removing separations because  HAF/A1 is looking to secure funding for all the unanticipated people trying to stay in. Anybody have any words on the progress of that funding? 

WTF? Why the hell would they need to “secure funding” for people who decided to pull back their separation paperwork? Am I missing something?

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I assume it has to do with end strength and what Congress has authorized regarding manning; have to balance ascensions with separations and retirements to stay as close as possible to what actually has funding.

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32 minutes ago, WheelsOff said:

WTF? Why the hell would they need to “secure funding” for people who decided to pull back their separation paperwork? Am I missing something?

Maybe they “fixed the glitch” with me and next they’re moving me to the basement?

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It’s has always been and always shall be bean counters, budget and the color of money/pots that cannot be allocated to other sources unfortunately. Only a few things can be shifted. Additional funding has always been resourced via “the process” if above and beyond the funding from the initial Program Objective Memorandum (POM) - hashed out 2 years prior to execution. It’s a bunch of patch work or infusions if you will. Truly sucks fighting for funding of future programs and current ones week after week after week. Mind numbing, so don’t go Staff....ever. Unless for a retirement of course, then hells bells Gina!

*End Strength does control a lot as mentioned before.

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I find it extremely difficult to believe the bean counters are like “we plan on having 69 pilots separating in November, Bob, let’s go adjust December’s payroll budget...”

Come on. The bureaucracy can’t be that efficient. We still use DTS and MICT. Plus, they need experienced pilots more than those pilots need the AF, even post COVID (unless their plan was to get hired at Delta, but that can has only been kicked down the road a couple of years most likely).

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I'm guessing that it's not just pilots looking to stay in after getting an approved separation date.

Even if it's not efficient, someone is crunching the numbers on manning and budget for the AF. And if they are worried about the budget/funding, it's probably more than just a few people wanting to stay in.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that AFPC is allowing approved separation requests to be recalled to allow someone to stay in. Maybe they do have a heart and aren't just soulless bean counters.

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I'm guessing that it's not just pilots looking to stay in after getting an approved separation date.

Even if it's not efficient, someone is crunching the numbers on manning and budget for the AF. And if they are worried about the budget/funding, it's probably more than just a few people wanting to stay in.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that AFPC is allowing approved separation requests to be recalled to allow someone to stay in. Maybe they do have a heart and aren't just soulless bean counters.


Simple. They fixed the pilot shortage!

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12 hours ago, WheelsOff said:

WTF? Why the hell would they need to “secure funding” for people who decided to pull back their separation paperwork? Am I missing something?

Balancing of all the Palace programs, the VLPADs, Reserve activations, etc. against the people who elected to announce separations and retirements (this is the one that's likely holding everything up; people who were on their way out the door and had announced it 11+ months in advance looked out the window and saw the Wizard of Oz-esque shitstorm of employment opportunity due to the pandemic).  They put a bunch of effort into backstopping things like Rated-required staff billets with a bunch of people who are put on short-term funded orders and now they're worried about being over end-strength DOPMA requirements.

Sort of a shit deal for the Air Force to stop action on the flexibility of folks to change or remove separation dates.  It pisses me off to no end how this organization stops giving two shits about caring about the people who comprise it as soon as they announce intentions to move on.  People are expected to work all the way until their last day in the Air Force; why shouldn't the Air Force also be expected to work for them?

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Balancing of all the Palace programs, the VLPADs, Reserve activations, etc. against the people who elected to announce separations and retirements (this is the one that's likely holding everything up; people who were on their way out the door and had announced it 11+ months in advance looked out the window and saw the Wizard of Oz-esque shitstorm of employment opportunity due to the pandemic).  They put a bunch of effort into backstopping things like Rated-required staff billets with a bunch of people who are put on short-term funded orders and now they're worried about being over end-strength DOPMA requirements.
Sort of a shit deal for the Air Force to stop action on the flexibility of folks to change or remove separation dates.  It pisses me off to no end how this organization stops giving two shits about caring about the people who comprise it as soon as they announce intentions to move on.  People are expected to work all the way until their last day in the Air Force; why shouldn't the Air Force also be expected to work for them?


Depends on how you look at it. AFPC has to execute within the constraints put on the AF by Congress (funding, manning). If HAF/A1 really is engaging with Congress, then that's the best they can do to keep faith with the Airmen (and really all they can do to try and keep people who want to extend in), and hopefully the guidance to AFPC gets updated to give people the flexibility to delay/withdraw separation. All of the backstop measures you mentioned were offered likely taking into account the projected and approved seperations.

The other option would be to delay ascessions, but that just move the pain from the seperating person to the person coming in. That happened to me and a bunch of ROTC grads when I commissioned, where we had to sign an acknowledgement that the AF could (and did) delay our entry date by several months (they also offered the opportunity to just walk away from the AF and not commission with nothing owed back).

Unfortunately, it will take time to get the approvals (Congress), so if you had an approved separation for April/May/June, and wanted to now stay in, my bet is you're out of luck at the moment (something about timing is everything, better lucky than good, there is no justice).

I doubt the grass is greener in this regard on the civilian/commercial sector.

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On 4/28/2020 at 10:22 AM, war007afa said:

Sort of a shit deal for the Air Force to stop action on the flexibility of folks to change or remove separation dates.  It pisses me off to no end how this organization stops giving two shits about caring about the people who comprise it as soon as they announce intentions to move on.  People are expected to work all the way until their last day in the Air Force; why shouldn't the Air Force also be expected to work for them?

Shack.

That’s been my go-to topic of mentorship to the younger guys lately. Loyalty only goes one direction in the government: up. The bros look out for you, and hopefully your CC if he/she is worth a shit, but the AF doesn’t, and never will. 

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On 4/25/2020 at 8:46 AM, Danger41 said:

I got a MFR signed by my Wg/CC saying that he supports my approved separation date to be removed and AFPC told me that they’re stopping all action on moving/removing separations because  HAF/A1 is looking to secure funding for all the unanticipated people trying to stay in. Anybody have any words on the progress of that funding? 

My separation withdrawal just got approved today...my CSS pimped AFPC yesterday, don’t know if that was a coincidence or if they started processing all the requests.  If you haven’t seen anything yet recommend having them check the CMS case status.

I’m sure my 365 notification will arrive tomorrow...

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Can anyone give me an accurate answer on when my “final out” would be with an actual date of separation of 3 Jan 2021? Pretty certain it won’t be 1 January 2021 as I was just told by my local separations “specialist”...

No planned terminal leave. 

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It will be the duty day prior, whenever that is, if you don’t have terminal leave or ptdy.


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