6 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

It is in the PSDM on MyPers.

Not near govt computer. What's it say?

Basically added non committed and previously expired bonus eligibility 

Depends on your 11/12X categorization... in a nutshell for old guys who took (and it expired) or didn't take the bonus, they'll give you cash (up to 35K a year) to stay a min of a year, out to 22 - or max 24 years of service... again, all depends on what you flew, so need to check the MyPers to see where you fit.

Chuck

14 hours ago, LowNSlow said:

Anyone seen/heard of a Pilot Bonus to O-5s to get them to stay past 20 for two years? I heard rumors of such....Would be interesting to see how much they are offering to keep them for a couple more years.

Yeah, it's in the retire-and-go-fly-for-the-airlines memo right under to the it's-unwise-to-stay-in-AD-past-20 paragraph.

The USAF doesn't care about O-5's as pilots.  If they did, they'd care about getting pilots to make O-5.

There is non-committed/previously expired bonus eligible text in the PSDM.  But if a qualified pilot is past 20 and has no ADSC, I would seriously question their sanity for taking a bonus and staying instead of getting out.

I saw some dude posted on the Pilot Network about looking at retiring at 15 years and not taking a bonus to get there.  Any further on that?

I saw some dude posted on the Pilot Network about looking at retiring at 15 years and not taking a bonus to get there.  Any further on that?

He was asking for the purpose of bringing it up at the HAF meeting. I wouldn't count on it happening, and certainly not anytime soon.

1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

He was asking for the purpose of bringing it up at the HAF meeting. I wouldn't count on it happening, and certainly not anytime soon.

HAF is talking about a "guaranteed retirement" at 15. Since TERA is approved until 2025 (?), it would be theoretically possible. However, it would require public law changes for long term viability.

Technically, retirement is still 30 years and the Services are allowing people to retire at 20 from a post-WWII "temporary" exemption. So who knows.

On 8/17/2017 at 9:42 AM, LowNSlow said:

Anyone seen/heard of a Pilot Bonus to O-5s to get them to stay past 20 for two years? I heard rumors of such....Would be interesting to see how much they are offering to keep them for a couple more years.

I've seen it for fighter types, allowing transition to F-35 for RTU purposes as well as a second assignment in place (SAIP) option, I think both will happen.  If on the CAF Fighter pilots page on the BookFace.  

It's probably been mentioned before, but it would be a significant (and maybe easier?) change if the bonus was tax-free.  It would be a lot of money to the person receiving it, but since there aren't a lot of bonus takers in a given year, it wouldn't even cause the lowliest IRS agent's assistant secretary to look up from their calculator.

If Congress is so reluctant to up the bonus on the front end, then without affecting their front end costs, they could improve it on the back end (sts).

How about making all military pay tax free?  That would probably have an effect on retention and recruiting.  Oh, and the only people that would deploy would be those that really need to. 

Wait, scratch that.  I propose all military pay be tax free after the first $100.  That way we'd still be considered "tax payers" and not merely mercs.  Symbology, you know.

Out

Looks like they're starting to tap guard guys with command stink in MilPDS for 6-mo command tours in CENTCOM... involuntary mobilization. Looks like Big Blue is getting desperate. I remember the days they wouldn't let ARC staff anything over there to preserve PRF bullets for the AD. Oh how they change their tune real fast. The ARC will bleed just as badly if that starts to be abused.

11 minutes ago, Gazmo said:

The ARC will bleed just as badly if that starts to be abused.

Worse.  ARC guys generally have the ability to exit much faster and with a much less uncertain future.  A guy already holding a purple seniority number, but on mil leave to work at JFHQ after a command tour, is not nervous about feeding his family "on the outside."

I guess they'll learn that lesson the hard way. 

11 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Symbology, you know.

Big Blue prefers the term "Optics"

Oh wow.  This will end well, I'm sure.  Guys who are topped out at O-5 with over 20, with an outside airline gig, who are just staying around (losing money!) to fly the mission and teach the young guys, are going to bail in droves.  Probably 20% of my squadron fits this demographic, and I promise you none of us will do a 6 month deployment.

Edited August 20, 20178 yr by Bergman

4 hours ago, Gazmo said:

Looks like they're starting to tap guard guys with command stink in MilPDS for 6-mo command tours in CENTCOM... involuntary mobilization. 

Do tell...

1 hour ago, Bergman said:

Oh wow.  This will end well, I'm sure.  Guys who are topped out at O-5 with over 20, with an outside airline gig, who are just staying around (losing money!) to fly the mission and teach the young guys, are going to bail in droves.  Probably 20% of my squadron fits this demographic, and I promise you none of us will do a 6 month deployment.

This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  

23 hours ago, otsap said:

It's probably been mentioned before, but it would be a significant (and maybe easier?) change if the bonus was tax-free.  It would be a lot of money to the person receiving it, but since there aren't a lot of bonus takers in a given year, it wouldn't even cause the lowliest IRS agent's assistant secretary to look up from their calculator.

If Congress is so reluctant to up the bonus on the front end, then without affecting their front end costs, they could improve it on the back end (sts).

Pretty sensible, which means McCain et al would outright reject it. 

17 hours ago, SocialD said:

Do tell...

This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  

Just the latter?  If they really start involuntary mobilizations for individual non-combat deployments, I think you'll see guys across the board start to walk.  Even guys within a couple years of 20 active time would consider walking.  Won't get sent away from your family for six months only to make unnecessary powerpoints with the airlines.

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?  If said commander does literally nothing as a commander other than sleep, eat, and workout, will he get sent home for 'lack of confidence'?  With squadron commanders getting fired right and left over the past five years, seems like it would be easy to turn a 6 month tour into a 6 week trip.  And since he's guard, if he did get sent home, could big blue really do anything about it if his TAG had his back?

Worse.  ARC guys generally have the ability to exit much faster and with a much less uncertain future.  A guy already holding a purple seniority number, but on mil leave to work at JFHQ after a command tour, is not nervous about feeding his family "on the outside."
I guess they'll learn that lesson the hard way. 

This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  

I know a guard tanker WIC grad who got tapped for a 180, involuntary mob and a Sq/CC fresh out of commander school who got tapped for OG/CV in CENTCOM. The WIC guy put in for retirement and the Sq/CC got creative and was able to get out of it, but it's definitely getting to that point...

15 hours ago, Smokin said:

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?

This is cyber now.  Everyone is all-in for the CC pool, no one can opt out if they have retainability.

What could possibly go wrong ....

On 8/17/2017 at 11:12 PM, Chuck17 said:

Depends on your 11/12X categorization... in a nutshell for old guys who took (and it expired) or didn't take the bonus, they'll give you cash (up to 35K a year) to stay a min of a year, out to 22 - or max 24 years of service... again, all depends on what you flew, so need to check the MyPers to see where you fit.

Chuck

The PDSM says 22-24 YAS for 2nd bonus takers. 

Acronyms on SURFs is not my strength, does YAS = Years Aviation Service or Years Active Service?  

If aviation service that means 22 years of flying min calculated from when you started UPT so you'd have to serve beyond just 22 years. 

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

4 minutes ago, Termy said:

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

Day one of phase 2 is my guess. 

On 8/21/2017 at 8:28 AM, Smokin said:

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?  If said commander does literally nothing as a commander other than sleep, eat, and workout, will he get sent home for 'lack of confidence'?  With squadron commanders getting fired right and left over the past five years, seems like it would be easy to turn a 6 month tour into a 6 week trip.  And since he's guard, if he did get sent home, could big blue really do anything about it if his TAG had his back?

Ya I'm not sure your TAG would have your back if you were a total shit bag, especially if your TAG is Army.  On top of that I would think the TAG would have to sign off on such a non-vol...checking into that. 

We habe people on base being activated for 6 months all the time. They're just not pilots...medical, TMO, Comm, etc...  They're just usually volunteers because many of these guys want orders and don't really go tdy or deploy much.  

15 hours ago, Gazmo said:

I know a guard tanker WIC grad who got tapped for a 180, involuntary mob and a Sq/CC fresh out of commander school who got tapped for OG/CV in CENTCOM. The WIC guy put in for retirement and the Sq/CC got creative and was able to get out of it, but it's definitely getting to that point...

Have you talked with them about the activation?  Was this a direct activation or just that someone in the squadron needed to go?  

48 minutes ago, Termy said:

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

My ACIP/AO date is the day I started pilot training.  

3 hours ago, Homestar said:

Day one of phase 2 is my guess. 

It's actually the date you officially started UPT.