Beaver Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) because landing the plane shouldn't be the most difficult or dangerous part of the sortie. Wait. I thought landing on an aircraft carrier was the most heroic feat of aviation prowess ever devised. Edited June 12, 2012 by Beaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanee Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Wait. I thought landing on an aircraft carrier was the most heroic feat of aviation prowess ever devised. It isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) This was coming from a legend in the fighter community. Made sense way back then. Still does. "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." I will concede that everyone can probably use a couple overheads on the TR-2 ride in RTU. However, I don't think they have to do a touch and go. OK,... I copy all (including the fact that Brabus won't even to spend time in the squadron bar, since that's a few minutes he could be in the vault),... however, if you're going to do the overhead and eat up the time anyways, why wouldn't you do the T&G? You just burned up 1000+ gallons of fuel, pulled enough G's to continue to put significant stress on the jet as compared to a T&G. Is answer in the fighter/attack community honestly "tire wear"? I've landed the Viper from the front seat, and Hornet and T-45 from the back. They are "easy to land". Got it. Edited June 12, 2012 by Huggyu2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscle2002 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) I've landed the Viper from the front seat, and Hornet and T-45 from the back. They are "easy to land". Got it. Yeah, the Fighting Falcon is easy to land, but it's not necessarily easy to land well. It's the only aircraft I've flown where I was told I needed to "bump" the stick forward as I touch down to counter the change in pitch rate and prevent getting airborne again. Edited June 12, 2012 by Muscle2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 http://www.flightglo...en-woes-372642/ From the article: "Ironically, some of the safety measures that the USAF added after the service lifted the grounding such as flying with a negative-pressure carbon-filter--which is having oxygen pushed through it under pressure-- and with the oxygen system set on maximum at all times probably exacerbated the problem, the source says. Wow.....Unintended consequences. Good luck, you guys might still need it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Hmmm. It seems the pilots were correct: the O2 system (among others) was malfunctioning and the bureaucrats/shoeclerks/AIB were wrong. BIG shock http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-cites-progress-f-22-oxygen-mystery-013535776.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForgotPassword Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Puzzle palace says it is a valve in the pilots' vest, not the jet http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/f22-valve/#more-87307 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abmwaldo Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 http://www.adn.com/2012/07/25/2555457/defense-secretary-approves-plan.html LIfting F-22 restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Today's headline “But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dogfighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) "Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted." It doesn't surprise me that Raptors wouldn't be victorious in all wvr merges. It would surprise me if they (Eurofighters) were able to get to those merges without getting schwacked on the way. But shit happens and that's why you practice BFM/ACM. And the Eurofighter ain't exactly a slouch. Nor are the cats flying 'em. *Edit for grammatical buffoonery Edited July 31, 2012 by Danger41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 If you're gonna invite your friends to an exercise, at some point you're gonna have to call "Tuesday only heaters, on Wednesday BFM", or they don't have any fun and won't come back to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Kinda surprised that the Eurofighter costs $200m each. Seems like a lot of money for something that can't get closer than 20 nm to a Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Kinda surprised that the Eurofighter costs $200m each. Seems like a lot of money for something that can't get closer than 20 nm to a Raptor. If they can in turn keep the Migs 20 nm away, then they are worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainerModel Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 maybe some general in some terrible country is thinking "awesome, let the tactic be flight right at the thing and get to the merge...then we'll win!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Yeah, the Fighting Falcon is easy to land, but it's not necessarily easy to land well. It's the only aircraft I've flown where I was told I needed to "bump" the stick forward as I touch down to counter the change in pitch rate and prevent getting airborne again. You're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And we call them Vipers. What do you fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Termy Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 You may have to "bump the stick" in Falcon 4.0 or whatever video game you play, but not in the Viper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And we call them Vipers. What do you fly? "we" don't call them vipers. "you" call them vipers. "we" call them fighting falcons, pork falcons, porkers, LGPOS, lawn darts, tinker toys, etc. And how many times are you going to pull this "what do you fly" shit like you're in a dick measuring contest for the insecure? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) "we" don't call them vipers. "you" call them vipers. "we" call them fighting falcons, pork falcons, porkers, LGPOS, lawn darts, tinker toys, etc. And how many times are you going to pull this "what do you fly" shit like you're in a dick measuring contest for the insecure? Edit: On second thought...you kinda got the point with your first statement... Edited July 31, 2012 by SocialD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And how many times are you going to pull this "what do you fly" shit like you're in a dick measuring contest for the insecure? Fighting Falcon standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscle2002 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) You're doing it wrong. You're probably right, but I would venture the majority of Viper pilots experienced this the first few times they flew the aircraft. Last time I checked neither the T-37, T-6 or T-38 use a pitch rate/AoA command system for landing which requires different compensation. And we call them Vipers. What do you fly? I flew Strike Eagles, or Mudhens as you probably call them. You may have to "bump the stick" in Falcon 4.0 or whatever video game you play, but not in the Viper. Okay, I'm telling you what I saw and the reasoning behind it. Edited August 1, 2012 by Muscle2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 You're probably right, but I would venture the majority of Viper pilots experienced this the first few times they flew the aircraft. Last time I checked neither the T-37, T-6 or T-38 use a pitch rate/AoA command system for landing which requires different compensation. I flew Strike Eagles, or Mudhens as you probably call them. Okay, I'm telling you what I saw and the reasoning behind it. Congrats. You're going to like your new trunk monkey. Less talking in the brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 "we" don't call them vipers. "you" call them vipers. "we" call them fighting falcons, pork falcons, porkers, LGPOS, lawn darts, tinker toys, etc. And how many times are you going to pull this "what do you fly" shit like you're in a dick measuring contest for the insecure? You did miss the point, because you wanted or expected this to be a dick measuring contest. It wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 You did miss the point, because you wanted or expected this to be a dick measuring contest. It wasn't. Ok... And we call them Vipers. What do you fly? ...so what was it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) I'll bite.....Muscle2002 thought he had knowledge of how to land the Viper, but then called it the Fighting Falcon, something a real F-16 pilot would never say. My point was that he was NOT a Viper pilot but somebody that learned it on Falcon 4.0, or rumor, or WOM. So I told the forum what we really called it, and tried to call him out as a fake/wannabe. Turns out he is a fighter pilot.....I always preferred lawn dart. Edited August 3, 2012 by matmacwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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