The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[Lecarpetron Dukemarriot]

On 4/8/2021 at 10:57 PM, Lord Ratner said:

You missed this gem:

 

"The point I’ve made through all of those experiences is that anti-Asian racism has the same source as anti-Black racism: white supremacy. So when a Black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled perhaps by racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not require a white person to perpetuate it."

Honorable mention to the capitalization used for black and asian vs white.

[VMFA187]

On 4/8/2021 at 2:25 PM, SurelySerious said:

White Supremacy is the Root of All Race-related Violence in the US

Excellent, glad the science is settled on that.

 

“There is racism physically built into some of our highways."

Pete Buttigieg says there is ‘racism physically built into’ America’s ailing infrastructure system (yahoo.com)

 

[herkbum]

This is getting ridiculous


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[HeloDude]

32 minutes ago, herkbum said:

This is getting ridiculous


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“getting”?  It’s been ridiculous for quite a while...it’s just more and more people are finally seeing it.  That being said, I’m actually looking forward to seeing how much more ridiculous it can get.  And I think we have a ways to go.

[VMFA187]

40 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

“getting”?  It’s been ridiculous for quite a while...it’s just more and more people are finally seeing it.  That being said, I’m actually looking forward to seeing how much more ridiculous it can get.  And I think we have a ways to go.

CDC Director: 'Racism Is a Serious Public Health Threat' (yahoo.com)

 

“What we know is this: racism is a serious public health threat that directly affects the well-being of millions of Americans. As a result, it affects the health of our entire nation. Racism is not just the discrimination against one group based on the color of their skin or their race or ethnicity, but the structural barriers that impact racial and ethnic groups differently to influence where a person lives, where they work, where their children play, and where they worship and gather in community."

Is my thought that people should be responsible for their own well-being considered a "disease" by the CDC now? Maybe we should get the airlines and MLB to weigh in...

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

CDC Director: 'Racism Is a Serious Public Health Threat' (yahoo.com)

 

“What we know is this: racism is a serious public health threat that directly affects the well-being of millions of Americans. As a result, it affects the health of our entire nation. Racism is not just the discrimination against one group based on the color of their skin or their race or ethnicity, but the structural barriers that impact racial and ethnic groups differently to influence where a person lives, where they work, where their children play, and where they worship and gather in community."

Is my thought that people should be responsible for their own well-being considered a "disease" by the CDC now? Maybe we should get the airlines and MLB to weigh in...

Can we prevent the spread by wearing masks?

[lloyd christmas]

6 hours ago, herkbum said:

This is getting ridiculous


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And it’s all owned by the left/dems.  F’ing crazy.  

[Pooter]

Got a diversity and inclusion survey in my inbox today.  Can't wait to tell the Air Force all about how difficult and unfair it is for women and minorities out there.. Oh wait, it seems I can't submit the survey because our computer networks are absolute hot garbage and it keeps crashing.

 

#priorities

[08Dawg]

On 4/11/2021 at 12:58 AM, dream big said:

These “diversity chiefs” and MEO types are the worst kind of people.  They are an infection to the military. I am sure the PRC has diversity chiefs in its’ higher echelons...It’s going to get worse before it ever gets better - that or we will go the way of the Romans. 

Yeah....they’re called political officers

[lloyd christmas]

Policing has been discussed in this thread before so I’ll drop this here.  

Sounds like the female officer involved in yesterday’s shooting of Daunte Wright thought she was firing her taser but fired her weapon instead.  It is another incident involving someone with a warrant resisting arrest.  But it’s still a very tragic incident for sure.  This happened just a few miles from where George Floyd was killed.  This couldn’t have happened in a worse place.  It’s going to be an interesting night in Minnesota.

It has also been interesting to hear some of the defense’s arguments in the Floyd case.  There’s a camera angle that shows Chauvins knee on Floyd’s shoulder and admissions from Drs that describe how fentanyl/meth can cause asphyxiation.   Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe before he was on the ground.  Reasonable doubt is the standard.  I don’t say this in support of Chauvin, I’m saying I’m not sure he is going to get a fair trial especially with what’s happened with the shooting yesterday.  That city can’t afford for Chauvin to walk.  Knowingly convicting potentially innocent people due to fear of a mob certainly isn’t the answer either.

[Guardian]

Seems like the prosecution’s case is very weak.

[skybert]

30 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Seems like the prosecution’s case is very weak.

Like that matters

[Guardian]

Like that matters

True. Very true. And sad. I feel like there will be riots either way. Oh wait, that’s already happening.

[HeloDude]

9 hours ago, Pooter said:

Got a diversity and inclusion survey in my inbox today.  Can't wait to tell the Air Force all about how difficult and unfair it is for women and minorities out there.. Oh wait, it seems I can't submit the survey because our computer networks are absolute hot garbage and it keeps crashing.

Why take time to fill out a survey when the results won’t matter?  Does anyone honestly think the GOs/SESs will change their current message/vector based on the responses/results of a survey?

 

[tac airlifter]

11 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Why take time to fill out a survey when the results won’t matter?  Does anyone honestly think the GOs/SESs will change their current message/vector based on the responses/results of a survey?

 

Agreed.  Has anyone ever filled out a GO initiated survey that mattered?  I spent an hour on the pilot retention survey years ago only to hear, 10 months later, AFPC had “lost” the survey results.  None of these are worth the time.  

[Pooter]

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Why take time to fill out a survey when the results won’t matter?  Does anyone honestly think the GOs/SESs will change their current message/vector based on the responses/results of a survey?

 

Of course not, I was just curious about the woke garbage contained in the survey. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by Pooter

[bfargin]

11 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

Policing has been discussed in this thread before so I’ll drop this here.  

Sounds like the female officer involved in yesterday’s shooting of Daunte Wright thought she was firing her taser but fired her weapon instead.  It is another incident involving someone with a warrant resisting arrest.  But it’s still a very tragic incident for sure.  This happened just a few miles from where George Floyd was killed.  This couldn’t have happened in a worse place.  It’s going to be an interesting night in Minnesota.

I...

The video is out. How many times do DAs need to see the very likely "death penalty" result from fighting to get away from a police officer to just comply?

[brickhistory]

Types "Minneapolis and Portland riots..."

Google:  "Unicorns and blowjobs..."

[17D_guy]

21 hours ago, bfargin said:

The video is out. How many times do DAs need to see the very likely "death penalty" result from fighting to get away from a police officer to just comply?

Or, you know...she's the trained one with a weapon and a taser.

[pawnman]

5 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Or, you know...she's the trained one with a weapon and a taser.

Baffling to me how military members, who would be willing to hang a soldier out to dry for this kind of mistake, somehow find a way to defend police who "accidently" shoot someone. 

[brickhistory]

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/marxist-blm-leader-buys-1-4-million-home-in-ritzy-la-enclave/

Quote

Patrisse Khan-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a self-described Marxist, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood where the vast majority of residents are white, according to reports.

Follow the money.

Every time.

[Kiloalpha]

6 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Baffling to me how military members, who would be willing to hang a soldier out to dry for this kind of mistake, somehow find a way to defend police who "accidentally" shoot someone. 

I've taken part in use of force scenario training a few times, and each time I had my eyes opened a little wider to what law enforcement deals with. If your local department ever offers it, please take up the chance.

In the first scenarios I ran, the Taser was strategically placed to be different than the firearm (chest mount). I saw people choose the wrong use of force that day, (wanted to shoot someone that could have been tased) but never saw someone mix the weapons up. However, I guess all departments don't run things that way, and its possible to have a setup where one could mix up the two, despite their training.

The video pretty clearly shows it's a fuckup, and whatever training/awareness failed. Two things are true here.

- His resisting arrest put himself (and others around him) in greater danger, and contributed to the circumstances that led to his death.

- The cop clearly pulled out the wrong weapon and as such, killed the individual. She made the trigger pull, she killed him. She's directly responsible for his death, and should be fired/face legal penalties.

However, let's not remove his culpability here. I wish all cops were quick thinking 160+ IQ individuals who get it right 100% of the time, but they aren't. They're average people with (in my opinion) average training. The closer you place them to a life-death split decision, the more that lack of training is going to become a problem.

Bottom line, don't fight the cops. Don't stress them out any more than necessary. Film/record them if necessary, and fight the legal battles later.

[brabus]

Unfortunately this smells like lacking training combined with a stressful environment, with likely an increased perception of threat to herself or others (whether accurate or not). She fucked up and her resignation (firing if she hadn’t) followed by likely at least civil suit is understandable. But that said, no I’m not going to demonize her as a person because 

1. I wasn’t there and don’t know the situation first hand

2. I can’t count how many times highly trained individuals in the military employed the wrong weapon, employed on the wrong target, got confused where the bad guys and the friendlies were, etc. Shit happens in chaotic, stressful situations...training and reps is key to minimize risk of fuck ups. My perception is police at large do not get the amount of reps they should have given the situations they are likely to find themselves in.

3. Huge CF on the victim’s part. He’s not the RC, but he’d also be alive right now had he not done some things that I hope all of us would have been smart enough to avoid. 

[pawnman]

44 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

I've taken part in use of force scenario training a few times, and each time I had my eyes opened a little wider to what law enforcement deals with. If your local department ever offers it, please take up the chance.

In the first scenarios I ran, the Taser was strategically placed to be different than the firearm (chest mount). I saw people choose the wrong use of force that day, (wanted to shoot someone that could have been tased) but never saw someone mix the weapons up. However, I guess all departments don't run things that way, and its possible to have a setup where one could mix up the two, despite their training.

The video pretty clearly shows it's a fuckup, and whatever training/awareness failed. Two things are true here.

- His resisting arrest put himself (and others around him) in greater danger, and contributed to the circumstances that led to his death.

- The cop clearly pulled out the wrong weapon and as such, killed the individual. She made the trigger pull, she killed him. She's directly responsible for his death, and should be fired/face legal penalties.

However, let's not remove his culpability here. I wish all cops were quick thinking 160+ IQ individuals who get it right 100% of the time, but they aren't. They're average people with (in my opinion) average training. The closer you place them to a life-death split decision, the more that lack of training is going to become a problem.

Bottom line, don't fight the cops. Don't stress them out any more than necessary. Film/record them if necessary, and fight the legal battles later.

They won't be 160 IQ individuals...police departments have actually fought lawsuits so that they don't have to hire people who are "too smart".

[jazzdude]

Bottom line, don't fight the cops. Don't stress them out any more than necessary. Film/record them if necessary, and fight the legal battles later.

That's easier said than done, especially when there's a perception (or in some cases, reality) that there are cops out there doing the wrong thing, whether it's unintentional or intentional.

I generally agree with your statement's intent, but there are bad cops out there as well who are willing to abuse their authority. That complicates the response from the civilian.

By the same token, Cops also shouldn't stress out the people (who likely have zero training in deescalating situations) any more than necessary either. De-escalation goes both ways.

Fighting the legal battle typically means you have the time and money to do so. Look at how messed up civil forfeiture laws are, especially regarding firearms.

I've been detained by SF when I knew I was clearly in the right, but they didn't understand the base policy (no line badge on the flighline as a TDY requal student at the FTU, base policy was TDY students only need CAC and flight auth, which I had and presented). Took everything I had to not lose my cool since we just got to our jet for an early morning sortie, and I'm generally non-confrontational. Funny thing was that the A1C cop was trying to tell his SrA partner that detained us that we were right, but the SrA berated the A1C for missing the email that "changed the policy last week" and refused to confirm the policy. So 3 pilots were wrongly detained and cuffed for over an hour and a half, marched off to sit on the edge of the flight line surrounded by what felt like was every SF airman on duty (around 10-12 SF to detain 3 pilots). We were only released after the OG/CC got involved (wtf call to the MSG) without so much as an apology acknowledging they were wrong. The other funny thing was they didn't even bother to check the civilian mx crew chief who was out there with us and didn't have his line badge displayed. SF clearly targeted is based on our group affiliation (pilots). I wanted to cancel the sortie, but one of the other students couldn't take a training delay since they were trying to close on a house and needed to make it out on our scheduled graduation day. But man, I wanted SF to take a cancelled sortie for being stupid (and FTU Sq/DO was good with us doing so via an ORM canx), especially given that the FTU had been running behind because a bunch of FTU IPs had recently gotten out to go to the airlines.

And now, right or wrong, anytime I see SF on the flightline my initial gut reaction is "F those guys."

And then you read about some rando hopping the fence at Andrews and walking a mile on the flight line and going onto one of the 89th jets that was left open...