COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[BashiChuni]

I THOUGHT JOE BIDEN SAID ON 60 MINUTES “THE PANDEMIC IS OVER!?”

[HeloDude]

If you’re for seatbelt mandates and not for banning motorcycles then your hypocrisy is showing.  And last I checked, you can still wear a seatbelt even if the government didn’t make it punishable by law if you don’t wear one.

[Pooter]

10 hours ago, Lockjaw said:

You are aware that the CDC itself stated that 10 Randomized Controlled Trials from 1946-2018 found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks?

And yet the CDC now says masks are effective. Maybe they have new data? Could it possibly be related to the fact that the material in n95 masks wasn't invented until the 1990s so your data from last century is basically ballwash? Or do you just selectively believe the CDC when it suits you. 

[brabus]

Plenty of data from the last two years of studies showing masks are not effective at any reasonable rate WRT to Covid; unless you consider single digit percentages (cloth) “effective”. Surgical masks are somewhere in the teens to 30s. N95 is the only thing that’s marginally useful, and that’s really only if worn correctly and used one time then disposed (which almost nobody actually does). The CDC has no credibility. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by brabus

[SpeedOfHeat]

On 12/14/2022 at 12:14 PM, uhhello said:

Again, the mask isn't to protect the wearer, its to lessen the transmission possibilities.

The transmission possibilities are zero if you don't have COVID in the first place.  Which describes the overwhelming majority of humans on the planet right now. 

The evidence for asymptomatic transmission is extremely shaky.

Healthy people without any symptoms should not be forced to wear masks.  It's stupid.  We need to snap out of this nonsense.

If someone is symptomatic, I agree that it's wise/considerate to wear a mask, as they've done in Asian cultures for a long time.  Or if someone has been in direct, prolonged contact with someone who's symptomatic, again, go for it.  Makes sense.

But universial mask mandates and guidelines for everyone are issued for one reason:  simplicity.  The guidance above is, sadly and unfortunately, too nuanced for the masses.  So they make it one-size-fits-all.  Just treat everyone as if they're infected, even though the reality is that only a miniscule percentage actually are.

Edited December 16, 2022 by SpeedOfHeat

[Lockjaw]

18 hours ago, Pooter said:

And yet the CDC now says masks are effective. Maybe they have new data? Could it possibly be related to the fact that the material in n95 masks wasn't invented until the 1990s so your data from last century is basically ballwash? Or do you just selectively believe the CDC when it suits you. 

Well I mean considering the last RCT quoted was conducted in 2018...I don't think it's ballwash. But hey man, you do you. Also, I'm not deliberately being picky, but the N95 is technically considered a respirator, and the studies were mainly looking at surgical style masks. I'll reiterate what I've said - N95s when properly fitted, properly worn, and used once, are helpful. If you don't do any or all of that, your protection will be substantially less.

And no, I don't selectively believe - but my trust in the CDC has gone down the tubes since Summer 2020. I am calling attention to the fact that we went from over 70 years of data showing "this doesn't work," to "this works, but only against this one new virus," to then "this works against every respiratory virus," in the span of less than 3 years, with hardly any RCTs conducted to prove it. Correlation is not causation. I think we've all seen enough "experts" be proven wrong recently, yet instead of showing humility when the data is inconclusive or shows otherwise, simply dig in their heels more, because it's 2022 - and experts can never be wrong these days.

[arg]

I better be more careful. Us unvaxed are a bunch of loose cannons.

https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/amp/

[Biff_T]

1 minute ago, arg said:

I better be more careful. Us unvaxed are a bunch of loose cannons.

https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/amp/

There's a new study out that those who received the vaccine are now immune to cancer.  Also, they found out that for some reason the vaccine will also fix check engine lights on your car, feed the dog when you're away from home and provide you with unimaginable wealth.  There are 100s of things the vaccine will help with (to include being a safer driver) except for preventing the spread of covid. 

[filthy_liar]

On 12/13/2022 at 6:40 AM, GKinnear said:

C'mon bro...don't descend into ad hominem / personal attacks.  We're better than that.

If there's a joke that I missed in your post, please excuse me while I go yell at some clouds.

It's the internet.  ad hominem attacks are authorized.  And using the phrase ad hominem makes it look like you don't know the definition of a new latin word.  Just say "personal attacks."

Have you seen what that cat has posted?  I'm definitely sad that he flew B-1s.  We have some great people in that community.  Hopefully he hasn't been running around the community poisoning the Lts with his takes on the merits of mandates, article 15s and such.

[Blue]

A year ago today, I was promised a Winter of Severe Illness and Death for the unvaccinated.

Still waiting.

Quote

For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. 
 
But there’s good news: If you’re vaccinated and you had your booster shot, you’re protected from severe illness and death — period. 
 
Number two, booster shots work. 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Blue

[arg]

37 minutes ago, Blue said:

A year ago, I was promised a Winter of Severe Illness and Death for the unvaccinated.

Still waiting.

Here it comes, wonder if this will increase the covid numbers.

https://www.wowt.com/2022/12/15/white-house-reveals-winter-covid-19-plans-more-free-tests/

[FLEA]

4 hours ago, arg said:

Here it comes, wonder if this will increase the covid numbers.

https://www.wowt.com/2022/12/15/white-house-reveals-winter-covid-19-plans-more-free-tests/

Didnt the WH also say the pandemic was over in a 60 minutes interview?

[Biff_T]

1 minute ago, FLEA said:

Didnt the WH also say the pandemic was over in a 60 minutes interview?

It depends on what your definition of "over" is.  We're in the process of redefining all of the pronouns used since English started being spoken.  Also, if you're a man you're not a man and if you're a woman you're you are not a woman. This is true because of the new science we discovered called Feelings.....fing feelings.   Why not change a few more definitions? 

[FLEA]

Just now, Biff_T said:

It depends on what your definition of "over" is.  We're in the process of redefining all of the pronouns used since English started being spoken.  Also, if you're a man you're not a man and if you're a woman you're you are not a woman. This is true because of the new science we discovered called Feelings.....fing feelings.   Why not change a few more definitions? 

So like when we redefined the definition of vaccine right? 

[Inertia17]

6 hours ago, FLEA said:

So like when we redefined the definition of vaccine right? 

Or what is considered a recession...

[GKinnear]

14 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

It's the internet.  ad hominem attacks are authorized.  And using the phrase ad hominem makes it look like you don't know the definition of a new latin word.  Just say "personal attacks."

Have you seen what that cat has posted?  I'm definitely sad that he flew B-1s.  We have some great people in that community.  Hopefully he hasn't been running around the community poisoning the Lts with his takes on the merits of mandates, article 15s and such.

I'll "happy to glad" the word choice to "allowed" vs. "authorized",  but it also appears that you've run out of arguments to make.  That's just one man's opinion though.

Your input on the use of ad hominem has been noted, thoughtfully considered, and rejected.  Seems like a pedantic argument to make to try and shift blame from the previously mentioned no-value added statement.

Last point, since this is an internet argument, there are no winners in this fight...you do you, boo.

[filthy_liar]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:27 AM, GKinnear said:

I'll "happy to glad" the word choice to "allowed" vs. "authorized",  but it also appears that you've run out of arguments to make.  That's just one man's opinion though.

Your input on the use of ad hominem has been noted, thoughtfully considered, and rejected.  Seems like a pedantic argument to make to try and shift blame from the previously mentioned no-value added statement.

Last point, since this is an internet argument, there are no winners in this fight...you do you, boo.

Ran out of arguments = valid.  Have you seen these arguments?  Pedantic...there you go again.  Just call it a drawn out argument. I think you lost sight that I was no longer interested in making an argument, but rather flaming a caustic shit head, because its the internet.  Don't say "you do you, boo" to a dude.  I'm not woke, and its not ok to say that to another dude.  You are ing weird.

[pawnman]

On 12/16/2022 at 6:50 PM, filthy_liar said:

It's the internet.  ad hominem attacks are authorized.  And using the phrase ad hominem makes it look like you don't know the definition of a new latin word.  Just say "personal attacks."

Have you seen what that cat has posted?  I'm definitely sad that he flew B-1s.  We have some great people in that community.  Hopefully he hasn't been running around the community poisoning the Lts with his takes on the merits of mandates, article 15s and such.

Ah, I love you too. 

[Lord Ratner]

On 12/20/2022 at 7:45 PM, filthy_liar said:

Don't say "you do you, boo" to a dude.  I'm not woke, and its not ok to say that to another dude.  You are ing weird.

You're putting off some major anti-gay-minister-who-secretly-hires-male-prostitutes vibes.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Lord Ratner

[uhhello]

1 minute ago, Lord Ratner said:

You're putting off some major anti-gay-minister-who-secretly-hires-male-prostitutes vibes.

Hah, brilliant

[StoleIt]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-regulate-travel-china-after-he-called-trump-xenophobic

Pot, meet kettle.

[brabus]

58 minutes ago, StoleIt said:

Pot, meet kettle.

Or how Biden and company touts climate change as so important, but then he decides to fly to St Croix for vacation the day prior to the omnibus bill ready for his sig, which then necessitates another jet fly the bill down to St Croix so he could sign it there. He and the dems give zero fucks about climate change, they care about consolidating power and control (and money).

[BashiChuni]

covid and climate change are power grabs of enormous scale

 

[gearhog]

F'n Finally.

DoD rescinds vaccine mandate.

[FUSEPLUG]

Grate spell check in the very last sentence. I’d expect nothing less from the POS who shoved this mandate down our throats for the last year and a half.