jazzdude Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I think he should argue that he successfully completed the training, and met all the preexisting conditions and standards to be designated an Air Force pilot. It wasn't until after he met those requirements that the vaccine was mandated, and even then, it isn't a condition for being a pilot, just for staying in. Even still, I'd also be surprised. It's probably a rare situation and the risk of blowback for denying him wings isn't enough for Wing leadership to care about. Unless they're a Gen Milley, they're going to tow the line.Would you make this argument if said student got RPAs, completed the syllabus, then DOR'd right before graduation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, torqued said: I think he should argue that he successfully completed the training, and met all the preexisting conditions and standards to be designated an Air Force pilot. It wasn't until after he met those requirements that the vaccine was mandated, and even then, it isn't a condition for being a pilot, just for staying in. Even still, I'd also be surprised. It's probably a rare situation and the risk of blowback for denying him wings isn't enough for Wing leadership to care about. Unless they're a Gen Milley, they're going to tow the line. You are trying to use way too much common sense here. They will not wing him. The pilot shortage is a crisis of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Why would they wing someone right before administratively separating them? I'd be surprised. Don’t know, honestly think it could be Wg/CC and timing dependent but I’m speculating, the email didn’t go into any more specifics. I also don’t have even close to the full story on this so any guess I make as to 19th/AF and AETC’s actions would be just a guess. Personal opinion, if the guy completed the syllabus, was just waiting on graduation and I was wing king I’d let him wing with his class; I wouldn’t see that as being tied to the vaccine refusal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, jazzdude said: Would you make this argument if said student got RPAs, completed the syllabus, then DOR'd right before graduation? This case might be different. If someone DOR'd before graduation, they've effectively ended it. I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2. If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, torqued said: This case might be different. If someone DOR'd before graduation, they've effectively ended it. I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2. If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged. You know the easy way out to a lot of people's hesitation to the new mRNA-type vaccines would be to just get the J&J jab and be done with it. It's an adenovirus vaccine. The technology has been around and been used since the 1970's in many other vaccinations. Get the J&J, get it in your military medical records as having a COVID shot and be done with it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, TheNewGazmo said: You know the easy way out to a lot of people's hesitation to the new mRNA-type vaccines would be to just get the J&J jab and be done with it. It's an adenovirus vaccine. The technology has been around and been used since the 1970's in many other vaccinations. Get the J&J, get it in your military medical records as having a COVID shot and be done with it. That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, torqued said: That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement? It was 6-8 months ago for us in the Guard. They told everyone that if they got a COVID vaccine off base at a local pharmacy to make sure it got into our records. I do know that Walgreens' system talks to ASIMS. Is the DoD mandating the Pfizer shot even for people who've already gotten the J&J? I know quite a few people in my unit who opted for the J&J last Spring. My only concern is that when I got the Pfizer through Walgreens, ASIMS flagged me due for a second one. It just comes up as "COVID-19" so ASIMS may in fact not be smart enough to recognize the difference between the one-shot or the two. Edited September 16, 2021 by TheNewGazmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, torqued said: That's a compromise I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to make. Is J&J authorized to meet the mandate requirement? Any of the vaccines meet the mandate requirement; DoD can only force you to take Pfizer since that’s the only FDA approved one. Got two guys in my class that got the J&J off base and they’re green as far the military is concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperMan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 No way they'll give him wings! Are you high? It doesn't matter that he'll have completed all the pilot training "requirements." He'll not be an officer in good standing, and that's a major, perhaps more fundamental component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperMan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 5:29 PM, pawnman said: Chang was annoying, but at least he was coherent. Annoying, yes. Consistent, sure. Coherent, nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, ViperMan said: No way they'll give him wings! Are you high? It doesn't matter that he'll have completed all the pilot training "requirements." He'll not be an officer in good standing, and that's a major, perhaps more fundamental component. 2 hours ago, torqued said: I don't know the details of this one, but the student has finished flying so graduation should be before the official deadline of Nov 2. If this student were smart, he'd remain passively non-compliant until after he's winged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfargin Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I did the J&J and that son of a gun hurt like all get out going in. I've had tons of shots, but that was by far the most painful jab so far (not knee buckling pain but def uncomfortable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I did the J&J and that son of a gun hurt like all get out going in. I've had tons of shots, but that was by far the most painful jab so far (not knee buckling pain but def uncomfortable).Interesting. Maybe they hit the bone... didn't even feel my Pfizer. Actually had to look over and see that the dude was done. Then a week later it felt like someone was sticking an ice pick into my arm pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfargin Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Yeah I had a couple of friends do JJ and same reaction, but the few people I know who did others said the actual shot didn't really hurt. So I'm not sure what was in the formula for JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) I’ve received lots of anthrax shots and most people will say they make your arm the most sore of all the usual mobility shots. The J&J was like a factor of 3-5 more “painful”. I got mine before any of the mandates were published and it’s caught up with IMR and I’m green. Side effects I experienced: splitting headache and general malaise for a day. Sore arm persisted for 3 days. Other possible side effects: I never lose 5G service, women (and men) are suddenly more interested in me, and I’ve discovered hidden treasures buried deep in the ocean. Edited September 17, 2021 by Standby bad at graham uhr 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 There is a faint glimmer of hope. An FDA advisory panel voted 16-2 against a Pfizer booster for ages 16+ after a meeting with Niki Minaj. Will the FDA, CDC, and Biden admin ignore it? Probably, but it at least indicates there is some healthy skepticism and courage among scientists doing "science". Hopefully it spreads. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-advisory-group-rejects-covid-boosters-limits-high-risk-groups-rcna2074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, torqued said: There is a faint glimmer of hope. An FDA advisory panel voted 16-2 against a Pfizer booster for ages 16+ after a meeting with Niki Minaj. Chalk one up for the good guys! I post the following with a NSFW tag. Though, I have a feeling the ACTUAL lyrics were probably far more offensive. You've been warned... Edited September 18, 2021 by FUSEPLUG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gearhog Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Sim said: Whoa. I watched started watching after the timestamp you linked to. It should be mandatory watching for everyone. Even the pro-vaccine doctors are skeptical, and some seem angry about what they're discovering about the vaccine. I wish I had a transcript. The truth is finally finding a way out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, torqued said: Whoa. I watched started watching after the timestamp you linked to. It should be mandatory watching for everyone. Even the pro-vaccine doctors are skeptical, and some seem angry about what they're discovering about the vaccine. I wish I had a transcript. The truth is finally finding a way out. Yeah everything from the time stamp to about the next 30 minutes is pretty eye opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 My time stamp function failed. Say what time to what time pls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 4:12:49 onward. I really thought the presentation about 2-3 later where a pro vaccine doctor discussed the data of sample groups not being strong enough to overcome vaccine hesitancy was really good and right in line with my concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter14 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Thank you for posting, I’m working my way through it.There’s a lot to unpack here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Sim said: Now that the truth is leaking out, do not for one moment, ANY of you on this forum, forget what all of us skeptics have been saying this entire time. Do not forget everything you were told such as it being 100% safe, the "science is settled", listen to the "experts", and on and on. You're all capable of intelligence, however don't be incapable of having a memory. Never forget how much you've been lied to and what people did the lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGazmo Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Some talk about mask wear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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