October 15, 20187 yr 23 minutes ago, torqued said: They don't "need" the overwater airspace as much as I need to fly direct from FLL or MCO to MSY or HOU. Uhh, yes, they do.
October 15, 20187 yr On 10/14/2018 at 8:06 AM, Lord Ratner said: I wonder how many F22s it would have cost to dig underground plane shelters. And no scoffing. If we can land on the moon, build a missile tracking base in a mountain, and drive floating airports all over the ocean, we could have built a few big basements for planes as small as fighters in hurricane land. You’re a special kind of stupid aintcha?
October 15, 20187 yr You’re a special kind of stupid aintcha?I guess so. I'm not sure which is crazier, this tunnel, which is clearly impossible given the water table and hurricane activity in the region, or that a bunch of educated adults who literally fly through the air on the magic of (decades-old) human innovation think that we couldn't find a way protect small airplanes from wind and water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Miami_Tunnel
October 15, 20187 yr Asking if we have erred strategically in placing such a large fleet of expensive assets in harm's way is a valid question. It's an ORM problem akin to a preflight ORM. There is a level of acceptable risk with each mission and with each basing decision. Looking to see if this risk was appropriately evaluated is pretty much what we do anytime there is an aircraft mishap. We have plenty of AF assets in tornado alley. Lots of others sit in other beach-side hurricane zones. Some sit on earthquake faults. But, just like any aircraft mishap, we need to look back and decide if the risk was worth the price. In this case, it was potentially an extremely steep price.
October 15, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, Buddy Spike said: Uhh, yes, they do. I dunno. I kinda feel like the inconvenience of me always flying around that airspace far exceeds the necessity for someone else to fly in circles within it.
October 15, 20187 yr Just now, torqued said: I dunno. I kinda feel like the inconvenience of me always flying around that airspace far exceeds the necessity for someone else to fly in circles within it. If you're not getting paid by the minute, you're doing it wrong anyway.
October 15, 20187 yr I guess so. I'm not sure which is crazier, this tunnel, which is clearly impossible given the water table and hurricane activity in the region, or that a bunch of educated adults who literally fly through the air on the magic of (decades-old) human innovation think that we couldn't find a way protect small airplanes from wind and water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Miami_TunnelI’m glad someone mentioned this. There are tunnels in coastal cities all over the US, even with the high water table. Houston has no tunnels, but has underground walkways downtown. The issue would be controlling the flooding from a storm surge, but I’m sure that can be figured out...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
October 15, 20187 yr Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base.
October 15, 20187 yr GoFundMe to support the bros trying to rebuild in the area: https://gofundme.com/hurricane-michael-relief-funds
October 15, 20187 yr 30 minutes ago, Prosuper said: Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base. Just don’t drink the water.
October 15, 20187 yr Good before and after wed site from USAA: https://usaa-catmap.s3-website.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/
October 16, 20187 yr A way to rapidly airlift large, unflyable aircraft already exists... 😛 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft
October 16, 20187 yr On 10/15/2018 at 7:44 AM, brabus said: Consider the extra time, money, and depot absorption limfacs to push normal phase externally. Unlikely to be a palatable Plan A. The most cost effective and efficient way forward is likely in the realm of building HAS with weather driving the design (as lawman pointed). One thing that surprised me about Eglin was why they didn't use all the existing Hardened Aircraft Shelters on the base/reservation to store stuff during hurricanes. I was stationed there 5 times in my career/lots of hurricanes/hurricane prep/evacuations of flyable aircraft and stuffing the broke birds/equipment in hangers, etc. Same fallible drill every time. Edited October 16, 20187 yr by waveshaper
October 16, 20187 yr 10 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Forget about the Raptors - more importantly, how many T-38As were damaged in the storm?
October 16, 20187 yr Author On 10/15/2018 at 10:21 AM, torqued said: They don't "need" the overwater airspace as much as I need to fly direct from FLL or MCO to MSY or HOU. The ROTC forum is a few pages back
October 16, 20187 yr 10 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Are they all complete losses? Time to reopen the line MAGA more Raptors... 5 more squadrons! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
October 16, 20187 yr 20 hours ago, Prosuper said: Hell, I say reopen K.I. Sawyer in the upper peninsula of Michigan, turn and burn over Lake Superior. Learn to love snow and cold weather OP's. Or any other northern tier old remote SAC base. Or Loring. Guys will be back stabbing each other big time to get that gig!
October 16, 20187 yr 22 hours ago, Breckey said: Just don’t drink the water. No thats Detroit, KI got water from Lake Superior unfiltered which exceeds the EPA standard.
October 17, 20187 yr Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks!
October 20, 20187 yr On 10/16/2018 at 8:49 PM, DFRESH said: Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks! 5 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said: I heard the number is now up to 46 damaged Raptors. Not sure if serious or...
October 20, 20187 yr On 10/16/2018 at 8:49 PM, DFRESH said: Hey guys, let's refrain from publishing numbers of damaged aircraft, rumint or otherwise, until the DOD releases that information publicly. Thanks! give me a freaking break
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