So afraid.

This forum is disproportionately “conservatives,” - read populists - and it’s telling how no one is engaging here.

You guys may be in a cult if you can’t explain yourself more than that. It’s a more socially acceptable cult - one in which you get to have cookouts with your white friends and go to church and feel like you’re normal - but it’s fundamentally a group where you avoid critical discussion or introspection to avoid being socially outcast. It would be hilarious if you were a self governing commune, but you’re fuc*ing up the country.

You guys talk condescendingly on here about how people won’t debate beliefs, but then when they do you can’t talk about what principles specifically you care about. Your literal only response is a fallacy: “Dems would be worse.” It’s the 5 year old putting his fingers in his ears. You guys don’t even introspect and try to make the R candidate better. Because “Dems would be worse.”

Results in your position boiling down to “Welp, yeah. I don’t like the admin making billions in office and starting another forever war that’s just like Russia Ukraine and covering up and lying about the Epstein files and increasing the deficit and exploding the debt even though they’ve promised to decrease it and increasing inflation and doing nothing to make the middle class better and lying constantly on social media and saying that the first and fourteenth amendments should be suspended and trying to force folks off the air and keeps saying they will run for a third term. But obviously the dems would have covered up the Epstein Files more and made more cryptocurrencies in office and tripled inflation way more and definitely would have started 5 forever wars and they would force my labradoodle to get a sex change 😱 and they would install Obama again. Even though all historical data discounts this.” Your position is, ironically, one that is created purely due to fear.

Name your core beliefs that make Talarico a worse candidate than Paxton.

Name your principles that invalidate Mark Kelly as the president. Compare it to the retards you would select.

Explain why Thomas Massie was a bad conservative.

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Most of us are simply sick of this thread.

Your post is exactly why.

You’re literally begging to have someone to argue with. It’s pathetic.

Head over to reddit. They’ll engage with you. You can get your feels there.

Engaging with you (and some others) is a waste of time (and here I am…), simply because you are effectively what you just accused “everyone else” of being. The opposite of what you claimed is pretty apparent here - you have a lot of conservatives who are not happy about some things the admin does or says, are happy about some of the things the admin does/says, and recognize that current state of the main stream dem party is alarmingly bad if you give a shit at all about the founding principles and morals of this country. I know it sucks to hear a “well it’s the best of two meh options,” but unfortunately that’s where we’re at for a lot of the country currently.

So instead of being a condescending, self righteous douche on the internet, can you please put your effort into unfucking the dem party and candidates at least at your local level? What do I define as “unfucking? - candidates and platforms that align with American values and an America first agenda (and I don’t mean that to be Trump’s slogan, just in general) - care about our country and citizens first before you care about others. We should simply have a different opinion on how to achieve that with things like healthcare, insurance, housing, etc. We should be debating policy differences to achieve a more or less shared goal, not be after significantly different desired end states (e.g. ram socialism/communism down people’s throats vs. at least attempt to maintain our constitutional republic). Personally I think the only viable solution is a 3rd party - kick the socialists/far left out of the dems and make them be their own party. They can still peddle their bullshit all they want, but at least the Dems can get back to the 90s/early 2000s (which surprise, would actually align with some of Trump’s policies, because he’s not far right/ultra conservative in the slightest; he and 69% of the country appear that way only because of how insanely far left the dem party has been hijacked in the last 15 years).

Negatory

As Brabus and Lloyd said we don’t owe you an argument. Most on here who claim to be, or lean conservative sound like they aren’t too happy with either party.

I’d love to go back to a much much smaller government but neither party is willing to move in that direction at all. I don’t believe the government’s role is to do everything for us (food stamps, welfare, schooling, jobs, hold our hand, etc). But, I also don’t want to go back to 1600-1700s and prior where the majority of people around the world lived in abject poverty and were days away from dying all the time. We are better off than we’ve ever been (certainly in the West anyway) and yet we still demand more from those who are willing to work and less from those who aren’t.

Here’s a start, off top of my head, to your desired knowledge on my beliefs for rules/policies/guides.

1 A turn back to more personal responsibility and obligation and away from the selfish “you owe me” thinking would be a good first move.

2 A concerted effort to completely squash all identity bs across the board. Encourage normalcy and don’t champion fringe identities (e.g. trannies, pedos, drugs, anti-social behavior). Protect individual rights, but don’t encourage (overtly or covertly) behavior that is antithetical to human flourishing and traditional family formation.

3 Strong law and order culture (from the top down to man on the street). But also hold police and authority figures to the same standards. Full weight of law against those who abuse their power (no cya for authority figures).

4 End all immigration (incredibly rare one-offs if absolutely necessary) for 10 years minimum. Deport all illegals and fine (confiscate all wealth) from those who don’t self deport. Root out those who are here legally but aren’t integrating (looking at you MN, MI, maybe others) and denaturalize and boot them out (tough to identify all, but the most obvious is criminals). Offer guidance and assist local communities with integration. Information only (not a bunch of funding for more bureaucratic bs programs).

5 End all government assistance to those who apply to immigrate. Make them prove self sufficiency like most other countries require.

6 End birthright citizenship except for current legal citizens. Just because you snuck in, or are even legally visiting our nation, doesn’t make your kids citizens. No dual citizenship ever.

7 Stop all foreign aid to countries who’s governments don’t align with traditional American values (rights, policies, etc). We might still have trade relationships with all nations (with some stipulations as necessary) but no foreign aid.

8 Roll out Dodge 2.0 on steroids and actually follow through with gutting most federal programs. Make every department justify every dime they spend, including funding required to justify their budget. It’s astounding the amount of waste in our 7 to 8 fricken trillion dollar (and still increasing every year) budget.

That’s a start. Poke holes all you want.