Biff_T Posted July 2 Posted July 2 14 minutes ago, arg said: Not enough booty shots in that vid for me to believe it. She's easy on the eyes but definitely crazy. Still a dibs as of today. 1 1
disgruntledemployee Posted July 3 Author Posted July 3 @Biff_T I'm throwing a flag on this play. You posted AOC in the Next President thread. That's like drawing a pentagram on the floor, a doorway to let evil in. Put that shit in WTF or something. Anybody got a cleansing spell or holy water to hose the place down? 1 1
bfargin Posted July 3 Posted July 3 the horse face does me in on AOC, I realize with Biff it's boobs and butts. I'm all for those (good ones) as well, but they don't overcome having a face I don't like looking at.
Biff_T Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bfargin said: the horse face does me in on AOC, I realize with Biff it's boobs and butts. I'm all for those (good ones) as well, but they don't overcome having a face I don't like looking at. 11Hs can't be as selective as the other 11s. Edited July 3 by Biff_T 1 7
uhhello Posted July 3 Posted July 3 I for one fully support AOC's Democratic party nomination for President of the United States of America. 1
HeloDude Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Looks like the House passed the Senate version of the BBB, and currently the markets seem to approve. I’m not a huge fan of the bill as it didn’t address spending cuts that I believe are way past due. 1
ClearedHot Posted July 3 Posted July 3 24 minutes ago, HeloDude said: Looks like the House passed the Senate version of the BBB, and currently the markets seem to approve. I’m not a huge fan of the bill as it didn’t address spending cuts that I believe are way past due. The bill is a freaking mess and nothing like what is was intended to be. Yes the tax cuts are extended but as you correctly point out, we need to address the debt. Look at defense spending, the requested number is actually a cut when you account for inflation. HOWEVER, they included a one time addition of $113B that pumps to DoD topline to $960B. Thats Fing crazy. 1
brabus Posted July 3 Posted July 3 There’s what we want to happen in a “perfect world” and then there’s reality. Reality is nobody anywhere on the political spectrum, in large enough numbers, is serious about significantly cutting entitlements. That’s the only rational way we’re going to see meaningful debt reduction and avoid the “fiscal cliff.” Everything else like DOGE-driven savings, reasonable DoD cuts, etc. will not appreciably move the needle. I suppose the other option is massive cuts in areas that completely gut our country and turn it into Venezuela, but I’m not considering that a rational option. So, the BBB is like every federal bill since the “beginning of time:” full of pork and spending too much. If you’re a realist, you understand this and can at least see there’s some good stuff in there (in spite of the stuff you don’t like). If you’re an idealist who doesn’t live in reality and likes to cast stones from your utopian view of what things should be like, without offering actual solutions that are attainable in the real world, well then by all means have fun sport bitching with your buddy Massie. 1
Lord Ratner Posted July 3 Posted July 3 7 minutes ago, Negatory said: If you’re a realist you don’t ignore the $4T added to the deficit. A realist asks why taxes are being cut and not sustained or increased. Welcome back to reality. Because an increase on business taxes will devastate the stock market, and the boomers didn't build normal retirements like responsible adults, they have everything in the market and are relying on it to go up forever. And everyone in Congress makes their millions in the markets, and all the biggest lobbyists are directly tied to the markets, and now the pension funds are all over invested in the market and (even worse) private equity, and... you get the idea. We've decided that "the market" = "the economy" when that's not remotely true, and because of it we now make devastating fiscal decisions (and monetary decisions soon) that are excused because, hey the S&P is at an all time high so it must be pretty good, right? We will cut spending and entitlements only when we have no choice, and not a moment sooner. Most likely it will be while tens of thousands of our kids are dying overseas fighting the Chinese, or Russians, or who the hell knows who it will be. When mothers see a car with a white top drive by, and breathe a guilty sigh of relief when it stops at their neighbor's house instead of their own, or when the local radio stations list the names of the newest forever heroes as we drive to work, then suddenly there will be a renewed desire to funnel our tax dollars away from able-bodied deadbeats and wannabe-immortal senior citizens... 1 1
tac airlifter Posted July 3 Posted July 3 24 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: We will cut spending and entitlements only when we have no choice, and not a moment sooner. If we substantially cut entitlements, there will be a civil war. 1
HeloDude Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Negatory said: If you’re a realist you don’t ignore the $4T added to the deficit. A realist asks why taxes are being cut and not sustained or increased. Welcome back to reality. $4 Trillion added to the deficit!? So next FY year we’ll see a $6 Trillion deficit!? Damn.
Boomer6 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, tac airlifter said: If we substantially cut entitlements, there will be a civil war. Well it's a good thing the ppl ratner references are too fat, lazy, old, or liberal to take up arms...
Lord Ratner Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 hours ago, tac airlifter said: If we substantially cut entitlements, there will be a civil war. Civil war is not an issue, because "we" (we the people) are not going to cut entitlements, like I said. The "we" that wants to cut the budget to something sustainable is such a small demographic that we have no path to electoral victory. As such, there will be no cuts, as we see with this bill. When my prophesized Great War happens, there will also be no civil war because suddenly "we the people" will be entirely interested in cuts as the government bombards us day in and day out with propaganda imploring us to buy war bonds and pinch every penny possible to protect our fighting boys and girls overseas. I'm not disagreeing with you per se; if somehow there was a way to pry the entitlements away from the entitled, there would certainly be violent social unrest. But the mechanism to take those entitlements away is the exact same mechanism that is protecting the entitlements in the first place. People voted for the politicians who ran on campaigns of leaving entitlements untouched. 1
brabus Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 hours ago, Negatory said: A realist asks why taxes are being cut and not sustained or increased. The rest of the flybys have already been covered. But your answer right here demonstrates the D’s base misunderstanding of finances. “But more taxes will fix it!” and never “hey we should stop spending like drunken sailors buying absolutely stupid shit.” Until you guys can understand basic finances my children understand, this is a useless discussion. 1
disgruntledemployee Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 Did I just read this right? $85 Million of Federal money to move a space shuttle from Udvar-Hazy to Houston? WTF Cruz/Cornyn. Pay for that shit with your own TX $$$ and see if they like it.
brabus Posted July 5 Posted July 5 I wasn’t referring to just the BBB, I’m speaking generally about avoiding the fiscal cliff - the answer is not more taxes, it’s stop spending ludicrous amounts of money on dumb shit. Though I’m glad to hear you say you’re down with cutting entitlements (e.g. where the vast majority of “the dumb shit” resides). The point I made above, and am making now, is large cuts in entitlements is the only answer that moves the needle enough. Until we do that, everything else is par for the course noise, including this bill. 1 1
ClearedHot Posted July 6 Posted July 6 On 7/4/2025 at 9:52 PM, brabus said: I wasn’t referring to just the BBB, I’m speaking generally about avoiding the fiscal cliff - the answer is not more taxes, it’s stop spending ludicrous amounts of money on dumb shit. Though I’m glad to hear you say you’re down with cutting entitlements (e.g. where the vast majority of “the dumb shit” resides). The point I made above, and am making now, is large cuts in entitlements is the only answer that moves the needle enough. Until we do that, everything else is par for the course noise, including this bill. Entitlements are sinking us. 1
blueingreen Posted July 6 Posted July 6 3 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Entitlements are sinking us. Yep. Entitlements are the third rail of American political life. Eventually the music is gonna stop. I've just accepted the fact that as a 25 year old, I will never live to receive social security, pensions, etc. I'm planning accordingly, at least.
disgruntledemployee Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 Congressional Pork is probably the 1st rail. 1 1
disgruntledemployee Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 Anyone here joining Musk's new American party? What if he gave every kid a $3k savings acct?
brabus Posted July 7 Posted July 7 Nope. I understand, and share, many of Elon’s frustrations. But, a 3rd party isn’t going to solve those issues. Fundamental change has to occur amongst the voter population to generate meaningful change for the primary thing Elon is most pissed off about - the deficit. Until that happens (likely only when voters’ hands are forced), congress will do nothing meaningful to significantly impact that issue, regardless of party affiliation. 1
ClearedHot Posted July 7 Posted July 7 12 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said: Anyone here joining Musk's new American party? What if he gave every kid a $3k savings acct? No, because as screwed up as the GOP is right now, a third party under Elon would simply hand power to the DNC. Given the absolute soulless depravity of modern democrats, our nation would not survive. 1 2
disgruntledemployee Posted July 7 Author Posted July 7 On 2/27/2025 at 6:36 AM, ClearedHot said: Epstein list supposed to be released in full today, will be interesting to see how much oxygen that consumes and who is caught up in the web. One of the flight trackers on X was monitoring to see how many business jets left the country last night. FBI and DOJ Memo Claims There Is No Jeffrey Epstein Client List After All. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-and-doj-memo-claims-there-is-no-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-after-all/ar-AA1I62j6 As I said long ago, those files got burned, the ash added to concrete and sent to the ocean.
lloyd christmas Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Given the absolute soulless depravity of modern democrats, our nation would not survive. Spot on. It is interesting to consider what would happen if a right wing third party popped up in our system. As powerful as Elon is, I don’t think he would get the support he is anticipating. Republicans aren’t pulling chocks from camp Trump and the radical wing of the Democratic Party was just burning up Teslas and calling him a Nazi, all while being supported by some in democratic leadership. What’s easier to see playing out is the democrat party continuing to spiral into fractured irrelevance. By every measure, the Democrat party is utterly failing. Hundreds of thousands of people are fleeing or have fled from blue states to red, the party is polling positively in the low twenties, they’re losing in court on nearly every issue, something like 90-95% of counties in the country shifted right during the last election, donations to the DNC are drying up, more and more prominent people are switching party affiliation, Trump won all 7 swing states, the Joy Reids of the world are getting fired and the legacy media is on life support, etc. My point is, I can see the Democratic Party splitting (it may have already) before the Republican Party. I truly believe that the vast vast majority of Americans are done with the radical, irrational and crazy social experiments that the democrats represent. That is all they have left and instead of reading the room, they double down. I’m genuinely interested to see how this plays out. We can’t have one party rule in this country. We need two healthy parties to balance power. I hope the democrats can figure their problems out and rebuild into something more moderate. Edited July 7 by lloyd christmas 4
ClearedHot Posted July 7 Posted July 7 42 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said: FBI and DOJ Memo Claims There Is No Jeffrey Epstein Client List After All. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-and-doj-memo-claims-there-is-no-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-after-all/ar-AA1I62j6 As I said long ago, those files got burned, the ash added to concrete and sent to the ocean. The swamp is deep, that list would have destroyed both sides. It really sucks they are going to get away with it. 4
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