pawnman Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 All clubs (maybe not 100%, but nearly) are mixed rank now bc of $$ and lack of membership. The O Club at PCola is not what the past AF O Clubs were at all...and the only reason tons of studs go there is because they can drink and walk across the street to on base housing. The drop nights are required to be at the O Club (or at least they used to be), unless they have sh1tty planning (shocker, it happens all the time there) and must move elsewhere...drop nights don't happen there because of how "awesome" it is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk PCola had an awesome O'club. Students, instructors, vets who would regale you with stories of low-level ingresses into downtown Hanoi...It was a great place. If more clubs were like the one at PCola, then we might not have to listen to our senior leaders bitch about club membership all the time.
Disco_Nav963 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 The Minot club is notionally mixed, but the only enlisted that show on Friday nights are a couple of CMSgts that hang out on their own side of the room. The two flying squadrons generally make a good push after Roll Call—mine moreso than our sister squadron, because frankly our wives are more fun than theirs. We each have our own table, and the bartender makes no objections when we do shots on the table and throw our shot glasses into the ceiling tiles. We tip her good and she treats us well. It's what I always imagined club life used to be like—minus the stripper poles. I look forward to moving somewhere warmer someday, but I will miss the Minot club. Remoteness has its perks for club economics.
Hacker Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Lt Gen John Hesterman, AFCENT/CFACC. Ready and willing to use airpower to bring any nation to their knees. A great leader doing a tremendous job in CC. Have worked for him twice -- one of my "I'd fly into hell on his wing" leaders. I hope he goes far.
chim richalds Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I stand corrected Liquid. I know there are plenty of good leaders out there, I just never seem to run into many. I may be jaded since most of my knowledge of flag officers comes from run ins with the previous AMC vice. I know there are good dudes who want to stay in and right the ship Edited July 9, 2014 by chim richalds
Fuzz Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 AF Band wins AF District of Washington wing's squadron of the year...... https://www.usafband.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123405454
matmacwc Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Booze of any kind is now banned in the AZANG with limited exceptions on any facility. Wow.
SocialD Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Booze of any kind is now banned in the AZANG with limited exceptions on any facility. Wow. I can think of at least 3 other states that have an alcohol ban on National Guard facilities. We've had this rule for years now...debriefs suffer! Edit: This doesn't necessarily belong in the AF sucks thread, as there is a common theme of when these rules were imposed (not sure about he AZANG)...an Army officer running the show (ie...TAG). Edited July 23, 2014 by SocialD
DFRESH Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Booze of any kind is now banned in the AZANG with limited exceptions on any facility. Wow. WTF, O?
TheGuardGuy Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Booze of any kind is now banned in the AZANG with limited exceptions on any facility. Wow. Who shit the bed? 161st or 162nd?
AnimalMother Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I think the odds are unfortunately pretty high that most, if not all AF bases will eventually end up dry, if not worse. I miss the good old days when taking away crew booze was a legitimate cause for full blown mutiny. It's like taking away your child's binky, you just don't do shit like that.
sqwatch Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 ILANG is the same. OHANG was the same when I went through the b-course in '06. There are work-arounds. Real estate is pretty cheap outside the gate.
BitteEinBit Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I knew this would happen when I saw an influx of Mormon officers joining the ranks 15 year ago. They are all policy makers now! (just joking Mormons) Seriously? WTF is this AF coming to?! Are the WG/CCs really still wondering why the clubs are failing? Back when they were happening places, clubs were making the majority of their revenue on alcohol....period. Take that away, and don't be at all surprised that the clubs are going broke. Doesn't matter how many memberships you get...if you dry up the club, you can kiss the clubs goodbye. I remember a time when the overseas clubs (Spanghalem/Ramstein) were happening places. GoGo dancers. Shit, even when I was young LT at Vance, they were still letting the girls from downtown on base to partake in the club festivities. (I know, that isn't saying much, but as a single LT...booty is booty). Not only is this not my Dad's Air Force anymore...it is looking like it is not my AF anymore. Time to take my drinking problems somewhere else. Times a'changin fellas! Good luck everyone else...we're all counting on you! 4
Tonka Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 That was before camera phones and twitter-book-gram... Kids these days gotta show everyone, everything. Plausible denial-ability left a long time ago. 1
Herk Driver Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 True but the clubs were declining long before social media and cell phone cameras. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
HeloDude Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 That was before camera phones and twitter-book-gram... Kids these days gotta show everyone, everything. Plausible denial-ability left a long time ago. We shoud start wearing disguises...
Fuzz Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/another-commander-sacked-air-force-unrecognized-ethical-tailspin/ "In February of this year, the commander of the 19th Airlift Wing relieved Lt. Col. Blair Kaiser of command of the 30th Airlift Squadron, an active duty C-130 unit embedded within the Wyoming Air National Guard. The news came as an absolute shock to Kaiser and his 200+ airmen. He’d just returned from commanding a deployed squadron in Afghanistan, a job he’d done with great distinction despite having been dispatched on short notice almost immediately after being given command of the 30th." Looks like there may be another case reminiscent of Lt. Col. Perry. 2
HercDude Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 ^ Worth the read, as are the comments. Commander's get fired, that's reality. But the OG and Wing shuffling the old boss out the door with a gag order, never acknowledging why it happened, or how it could have been prevented, is a shame. That the man was later cleared of any wrongdoing, yet his career remains railroaded while those who leveled false accusations and those who fired him without cause remain unscathed, is much, much worse.
Azimuth Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 As someone who was stationed with Kaiser and had Rat as a Commander, I'm not surprised by the story.
Fuzz Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 The comments on the JQP Facebook post has nothing but overt praise for this guy, which I think speaks volumes that his only detractor to come forward so far has nothing but wild and disproven accusations and has done so anonymously. There are always two sides to the story but so far only half of one side is being told because the other refuses to provide any info. It would seem that a commander that was fired for misconduct would go away quietly and not wish his story to be blasted across the internet.As someone who was stationed with Kaiser and had Rat as a Commander, I'm not surprised by the story. Surprised that he was fired or surprised it turned out this way? And hasn't Col. Rhatigan's name been mentioned before on BODN?
Azimuth Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) I'd heard rumors about Kaiser's DUI, but that was before my time. I also had heard rumors about him getting friendly with the CSS and Intel Airmen when they were deployed circa 2003, but never proven. I know he blacklisted some Herk guys from the 89th when he was the recruiting officer. I'm friends with his Load Superintendent and he has nothing but positive praise for Kaiser, and he was stationed with him before. So YMMV. He's no saint, but neither is Rat (considering his old Sq failed an ASEV right after he PCS'd unscathed), but Rat is connected and in the driver's seat. I saw him do shady shit as well to people's lives so I'm not surprised about all of this. Edited July 28, 2014 by Azimuth
SurelySerious Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 And hasn't Col. Rhatigan's name been mentioned before on BODN? A bunch...and mostly in this thread, if that's any indication. 1
Smokin Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 ... But the OG and Wing shuffling the old boss out the door with a gag order, ... How in the world do you fire someone and then issue a gag order? Even if it involved something classified that could merit a legitimate gag order, surely the rule/law broken is unclassified. Sounds like an automatic IG/Congressional complaint or even straight to a lawsuit.
Fuzz Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 A bunch...and mostly in this thread, if that's any indication. Yeah went a searched his name, the "B-1 guy".
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