tunes Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Great, with 5 years UPT ADSC left, I have no hope if there are that many applicants. you already have no hope with a UPT ADSC....your denial will come just like the rest did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 The way things stand now, true. Hopefully leadership digs their heads out and decides to waive ADSCs, otherwise everyone that leaves will be from earlier year groups and the cuts will target specific levels of experience that they shouldn't want to lose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Except right now nobody with commitment is being approved to VSP, which is what I was getting at. The cuts will target older (read more experienced) year groups. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) I don't follow your logic. The Air Force is not going to let any 11Fs leave prior to their commitment. They are only going to let 11Ms over "100% manning" leave prior to their commitment (whatever number that is), and if they could manage it (which their track record isn't very good) they would try to TERA/VSP enough 11Ms without letting anyone out of their ADSC to get to "100% manning". a good portion of the 11M manning has been solved by the powers at AFPC. They took all the 11Ms and the few 11Bs that went to the MC-12 and changed everyone's Core ID to 11R. Edited March 9, 2014 by tunes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElLoco Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 'I was the commander of combat there,' he said." Combat/CC...laughable...roger that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) I think someone mentioned earlier that he was just sand bagging in the B1. AKA other time. Yea he got the B-1 time when he was the 379 EOG/CC so I wasn't even counting that. But in terms of real assignments he went C-12 to C-21 to C-141 to C-17 to KC-135 to C-130. Edited March 9, 2014 by StoleIt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't follow your logic. The Air Force is not going to let any 11Fs leave prior to their commitment. They are only going to let 11Ms over "100% manning" leave prior to their commitment (whatever number that is), and if they could manage it (which their track record isn't very good) they would try to TERA/VSP enough 11Ms without letting anyone out of their ADSC to get to "100% manning". So the year group will no longer be a consideration, only AFSC? Interesting take. Combat/CC...laughable...roger that Hilarious. I used to JOKE that I was in command of all 379 OG kinetic assets when I would sit Top 3 for the BONES. I didn't know anyone would be serious about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 RhatiganReminds me of this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yea he got the B-1 time when he was the 379 EOG/CC so I wasn't even counting that. But in terms of real assignments he went C-12 to C-21 to C-141 to C-17 to KC-135 to C-130. I would imagine he has little KC-135 time based on when he flew them in his career. He is the anomaly of the post Desert Storm dudes that got to fly something rather than get banked. I knew an old crusty major that flew two types of white jets for about 1.5 years each before he settled down into his MWS. His "more than 5,000 hours" produced 2 Air Medals and an Aerial Achievement Medal. Impressive. Bendy A lot of O-6 types are lacking the hardware of a Post 9-11 AF when they were all Captains and Majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I would imagine he has little KC-135 time based on when he flew them in his career. He is the anomaly of the post Desert Storm dudes that got to fly something rather than get banked. I knew an old crusty major that flew two types of white jets for about 1.5 years each before he settled down into his MWS. He was an MP flight training level "A" on the flight orders when I flew with him. He had no desire to be an IP in the -135. In fact he R&C'd me as an instructor while he was never one in the tanker. He's actually a pretty good pilot. He flew the -135 pretty well, however most prior -141 drivers fly the -135 well. And 5,000+ hours in multiple MDS's is nothing to scoff at as an O-6. There are plenty of senior officers out there who barely have 1,500 hours and do everything in their power throughout their career to fly the bare minimum to stay current/qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 He's actually a pretty good pilot. He flew the -135 pretty well, however most prior -141 drivers fly the -135 well. And 5,000+ hours in multiple MDS's is nothing to scoff at as an O-6. There are plenty of senior officers out there who barely have 1,500 hours and do everything in their power throughout their career to fly the bare minimum to stay current/qualified. Heard that about -141 guys, except for when it came time to flare. I've seen a number of O-6s with 3,000+ with one Air Medal and zero Aerial Achievement medals. Did they fly a lot? Yes. But what is more telling is where they were flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 a good portion of the 11M manning has been solved by the powers at AFPC. They took all the 11Ms and the few 11Bs that went to the MC-12 and changed everyone's Core ID to 11R. Did they change your RDTM? A lot of O-6 types are lacking the hardware of a Post 9-11 AF when they were all Captains and Majors. Even I can understand that, but that doesn't matter because it's not about "the hardware" at all. I don't give two shits how many hours you have, only the airmanship you've gained. I don't give two shits about how many training sorties you've flown, only the competence you gained. I don't give two shits about your 25 Air Medals either...only the deployed experience you gained. You could even be the commander of combat, and it wouldn't mean shit to me. Although, clearly this individual did a bang up job while commander of combat. Using the number of AFAMs, AFCMs, MSM, etc. one has to judge their ability as an officer and a leader is the exact same thing as using an AAD and PME. It is an example of what's wrong with the Air Force. As RSD put it, "But what is more telling is where they were flying." There are things that mean something, and there are those that don't. As an organization, we have a pretty decent deficiency in telling one from the other. Bendy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingOsh Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 2. Only pilots were applying for VSP, virtually no non-rated line officers did. To me, this is an obvious one. Joe-blow ROTC grad only has a 4-5 year commitment. The average non-rated officer who wanted out could get out pretty fucking fast compared to pilots who have 10 years plus training. Non-rated officers can pretty much jump ship after each assignment. How did AFPC not have a plan for discriminating between pilot VSP applications? Why are boobs good? How does posi-trac work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnkr Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 How did AFPC not have a plan? FIFY. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Did they change your RDTM? Bendy nope, just core ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-21.Pilot Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I'd tell the dude to fuck off. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I hope that is a joke...and if it is not, I hope it isn't who I think it is. Why is an ADO creating policy?? WTF is the DO doing? Nevermind...I try not to understand this AF anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one1 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) While I was working in the UDM office, in a 3 month time frame, three female NCOs got pregnant in the same office at the same time. This act was deliberately to get out of deploying. They all knew each other and joked about it while sitting on their asses for 9 months. Three other people (men) had to deploy short notice to do the mission. They were ill prepared and one of them had just got back from a deployment 5 months prior. One TSgt looked me in the eyes and told me he couldn't deploy because he just bought a puppy. He still went. Some people try hard to get out of deployments. When people do bullshit like this, you have to start sending people regardless of what their story is. Keep in mind, this happened to me during my short, three month stint as a UDM assistant. Edited March 11, 2014 by one1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Subject: Outlining expectations and policy XXXXXX, A couple of recent incidents are prompting this squadron advisory email so please read and heed. 1. Leave beyond the local area WILL NOT be approved after BDOS. Local area is somewhat subjective but if you can't be recalled to the squadron within 2 hours then you will probably be denied. This is completely subject to my discretion so please be ready to explain your leave plan to me prior to approval. If I approve your local area leave and you have uncompleted pre-deployment prep or job related handoff then expect your leave to be cancelled at anytime. 2. Take charge of your deployment and major life events. Babies generally require 9-10 months to be fully operational post merge. There is plenty of time for you and your wife to execute the merge, deploy and return for your baby's solo flight. If you choose to advise me of your upcoming major life event with less than 7.5 months notice then you are failing to take charge of your deployment and are completely at my mercy. If you can't plan for your own future I have no pity. Come talk to me and I will help you evaluate your options. Bottom line, waive your dwell, deploy and return in time for your major life event and you have taken charge of your life and your wife and country will celebrate your sacrifice. If you desire to acquire a wife/husband with which to execute the merge then you should also consider taking charge of your major life event in a similar fashion. I am quickly becoming the evil and soulless field grade officer that the Air Force desires. XXXXXXXXXX, Maj, USAF XXX RS Assistant Director of Operations Beale AFB, CA I love the internet. See above for a good reason not to lead via email. Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 2. Take charge of your deployment and major life events. Babies generally require 9-10 months to be fully operational post merge. There is plenty of time for you and your wife to execute the merge, deploy and return for your baby's solo flight. If you choose to advise me of your upcoming major life event with less than 7.5 months notice then you are failing to take charge of your deployment and are completely at my mercy. If you can't plan for your own future I have no pity. Come talk to me and I will help you evaluate your options. Bottom line, waive your dwell, deploy and return in time for your major life event and you have taken charge of your life and your wife and country will celebrate your sacrifice. If you desire to acquire a wife/husband with which to execute the merge then you should also consider taking charge of your major life event in a similar fashion. Someone misses flying fighters and thinks he's funny. He's not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one1 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) I think we all know there will be $hitbags out there that will pull a tactical pregnancy. But they are the exception, not the norm and should be dealt with as individuals. A squadron wide email with this line “………..less than 7.5 months notice then you are failing to take charge of your deployment and are completely at my mercy. If you can't plan for your own future I have no pity.” That is leadership failure on multiple levels. At your mercy? Who in the hell speaks to people like that? Why would anyone want to work for an organization that thinks this kind of reaction to the actions of a few people justify treating everyone else like absolute dog $shit? In a flying squadron no less…… Definitely not defending the email. I am pretty shocked that anyone would feel that it is necessary to condescend so maliciously. The leave nonsense is bullshit and he would have been better off just saying that having a pregnant wife doesn't automatically get you out of a deployment. Edited March 11, 2014 by one1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Someone misses flying fighters wishes he got a fighter and didn't, and thinks he's funny fighter pilots actually talk like this. FIFY, dude. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-21.Pilot Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I hope that is a joke...and if it is not, I hope it isn't who I think it is. Why is an ADO creating policy?? WTF is the DO doing? Nevermind...I try not to understand this AF anymore. Nevermind the DO -- where the ef is the SQ/CC? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 "herrr duh herrr, I'm gonna say merge in place of sex. herrr duh herrr" That's all I got out of the second paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Disclaimer: I haven't seen this email except for on this page. I agree with all the other comments so far...that email is WAY off the path. You have to tell your leadership when you know your wife is going to give birth...if you know she's pregnant, and you know when she's due, and you don't tell anyone until you're due for your deployment, then you are a shit bag. Now someone else is going to have to pack a sack, kiss the wife and kids, and go in your place with little notice. This person that is eating this shit sandwich knows this could have been avoided if you didn't keep information of massive magnitude to yourself, will be pissed off, and has every right to be. Over and over again...I keep coming across the line, "I honestly didn't think I needed to tell people that, turns out I did." That email doesn't surprise me at all. The content/wording of it does, immensely, and I can hardly even wait to check my home station email and see who wrote that! As for the leave...seriously? You need to take leave out of the local area AFTER you out process? I don't know what "recent incidents" there were, but they must have been pretty stupid to have allowed someone to read this email over and think it was cool to hit send. As for the DO comment...did you know that ACC has an experiment going where we pick Majors to be DO's now? I know of 3 "selected" individuals to fill that billet. Not the brightest idea I've ever heard, but I'm sure there are O-4's in the Air Force that are up for the task. Sigh. Thanks for posting that, I've never looked forward to checking my email while I'm deployed more than right now! Bendy Edited March 11, 2014 by Bender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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