Hawg15 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 13 hours ago, Bigred said: Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted). I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. In the AF there is a culture of pretending a SGT of any sorts is superior to an officer under the rank of O-6, and if they are an E-8/9 then maybe even more authority than an O-6. It’s perpetuated across career fields and weak officers let it happen. They even support it by telling young officers they need to shut up and listen to the Sgts. I’m sure you have already noticed, that compared to the Navy and USMC, authority is non existent in the Air Force below the wing commander level. A piece of paper stamped by an A1C holds more merit than the command authority granted to most “commanders.” The need for a squadron commander to ask “mother may I” through the group and wing CC, and in some cases to a star (like covid ETPs), is absurd. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 13 hours ago, Bigred said: Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted). I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. You are correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) On 2/2/2021 at 8:11 PM, Hacker said: Standard AF answer. We only listen to the answers we want. Suppress the rest. She’s a terrible role model completely predictable, intentional product of the cancerous system of leadership that raised her, promoted her, and hired her. On 2/3/2021 at 8:49 AM, pawnman said: While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright? Why was one so great and another so terrible? Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the appropriate diversity boxes. Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it). When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates. Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller. It's basic arithmetic. Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate. Sometimes you don't. Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is no sure-fire way to success. But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. Edited February 8, 2021 by Blue typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blue said: Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the appropriate diversity boxes. Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it). When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates. Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller. It's basic arithmetic. Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate. Sometimes you don't. Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is not sure fire way to success. But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. They skipped over the usual MAJCOM Chiefs and went deeper into the NAFs (non-standard) to select her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Blue said: Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the appropriate diversity boxes. Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it). When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates. Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller. It's basic arithmetic. Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate. Sometimes you don't. Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is not sure fire way to success. But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. Perhaps. It's unfortunate because I personally worked with other black female chiefs who would be doing a far better job than Chief Bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, MyCS said: Any particular reason why the B-2 led the flyover formation for the Super Bowl opposed to the beautiful B-52? Usually the least maneuverable aircraft leads a mixed formation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawg15 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, MyCS said: Any particular reason why the B-2 led the flyover formation for the Super Bowl opposed to the beautiful B-52? It’s a better angle for taking tiktoks with the other bombers in the background. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, pawnman said: Usually the least maneuverable aircraft leads a mixed formation. Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said: Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover? It was an Ellsworth jet, but I'm sure they had three ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKinnear Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 11 hours ago, uhhello said: They skipped over the usual MAJCOM Chiefs and went deeper into the NAFs (non-standard) to select her. And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, GKinnear said: And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged. Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media. Edited February 8, 2021 by Sua Sponte 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The BUFF should have been pulling a banner that stated “Bring back SAC” Also... 1+2+52 = 55. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media. If only they'd dug deeper than NAF, they'd have found more qualified people who ALSO checked diversity boxes instead of someone who homesteaded at Ramstein for 15 years. Edited February 8, 2021 by pawnman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, MyCS said: Wait what.. counting on toes 🦶 and fingers 🖐️. My public school math skills at work. Pawnman off the top rope with the peoples elbow! Quick question. My boy (officer) in cyber has been stationed in Italy, Korea, Germany, TX, CO, and FL. You guys ever wonder what life would have been like selecting a different job with the opportunity to PCS anywhere? I would never trade being a pilot for cyber but yes, his locations definitely beat my Pope, Vance, Whiteman, Osan, & Columbus! I would say my locations are still better than Cannon, Holloman, Minot, & Laughlin. But that’s my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 10 hours ago, MyCS said: True. But would your spouse feel the same way? Now you really made me feel good about 7 day opting my assignment to Laughlin! And the Chief is done. When people start roasting you on YouTube.. it's over. https://youtu.be/a3p3S89PX74 Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, FLEA said: Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. Optics. Can't preach diversity then remove your diversity hire only a few months in. Or less than a full month into the Biden administration, which also ran on a platform of diversity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Duck said: How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app And here a year ago I was told I was passed over for Lt Col because I didn't have enough "career broadening" (although on the new boards broken down by category...my time in the cockpit suddenly became valuable enough to get promoted. So I guess I win). Ah, well...guess I'll just have to console myself with my aviation bonus money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) What I can't understand is why everyone is so up in arms about some old, old wooden ship! Edited February 12, 2021 by FourFans130 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Tiger said: Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass? I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner. On the one hand...I don't believe anything coming directly from my own email is non-attribution. On the other hand...I already have a line number to Lt Col. So not exactly afraid of a chief at any level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzdude Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass? I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner.Is it on the AF-approved survey list?...Or is the CMSAF going off script and ignoring AF policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, MyCS said: Any advice? stop posting your trolling Shazaam shit in irrelevant threads? 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCO Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Day Man said: stop posting your trolling Shazaam shit in irrelevant threads? Careful, last time I called him out he went and found my last 18 posts and down voted all of them, lol. Edited February 13, 2021 by MCO 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MCO said: Careful, last time I called him out he went and found my last 18 posts and down voted all of them, lol. Oh man. It's a shame those airline interviews treat your baseops.net reputation as important as your flying hours. You need at least 1500 likes I hear to even get in the door. 😂 Edited February 13, 2021 by FLEA 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Sounds familiar: Computers/Email decrease productivity when you account for getting rid of the staff that used to perform those tasks, thereby putting that work on the formerly supported members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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