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[BashiChuni]

8 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. The passengers will survive the 30 seconds of darkness as you wait for the Apu to come online, and aside from saving a life, you may be saving a whole lot of people a whole lot of trauma from seeing something most people can't handle seeing.

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

[uhhello]

34 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

Looks like they had just pushed back too so were probably heads in getting started

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

Completely possible, and either way it's not the pilots' fault when some dipshit jumps into the engine. But there's been a couple of these incidents in the past year, and historically every few years. It's not always some psychopath trying to commit suicide, sometimes it's an IQ-80 ramper. And it could have just as easily been one of the people who was chasing that guy who didn't realize how powerful an engine is only to get sucked in while trying to stop that guy from killing himself. 

 

In any and all cases, if people are around the engines and they're not supposed to be, shutting them down risks very little and potentially saves a life. 

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

Completely possible

What aircraft do you fly?

  

4 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

And I have to ask again, exactly what fucking point are you making? You're just going to keep him running cuz "maybe we'll get to depart anyways?"

Literally no one here is saying they should have continued.  We're saying that this happened so fast and most likely outside the view of the pilots that by the time they saw anything they could not have reacted fast enough.  Most likely is that the pilots were completely dependent on comms from the ground/ops/or plugged in ground crew while this was happening

You are making wild inferences.  Stop being a spaz.

Edited Tuesday at 03:31 AM by FourFans

[SocialD]

2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

 

Ya, no way I'd see that guy.  We can't even see our wingtips on the 717.  Besides, dude would have to jump pretty high to get into our engines.  

 

One night in Afghanistan, I had a guy walk from the nose of the F-16, down the right side and go between the inlet and the wing tank. I was looking the other way and only caught him out of the corner of my eye when my crew chief started yelling WTF.  He was already in a safe area before I could shut it down.  Apparently a big lip Block 30 doesn't have as much suck (sts) as they say.  As a former crew chief, I can't fathom what made this dude do that.  We had a very one-sided conversation later.  

[disgruntledemployee]

10 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Christ, are you this obnoxious in real life?

Back at cha.

Biff says adios and you get in my grill over this?

Dude dove in.  He was a gonner regardless of crew actions, including trying the shut the engines down if they saw him.

Sorry Biff, but dude got triggered by me for some reason and not anyone else, so calling it out.

[Pooter]

5 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

I swear some of you guys are so locked into the internet that you forget that being "technically right" is not the same thing as being right. 

I think you're the one fixated on being "technically right" brainstorming a perfect hypothetical pilot reaction in a scenario that lasted a grand total of 26 seconds. I don't know how you do ground ops but I don't spend the entire time craning my neck to check my 5 and 7 o'clock on the off chance a suicidal spanish drug addict decides today is the day he's going to swan dive into one of my engines.

Yes, if you see a crazy spanish man running towards one of your engines, probably shut it down. Would it have made a difference in 26 seconds? Absolutely not. The main fan would have still been spinning plenty fast to kill him and the cowling only sits 22 inches off the ground - plenty low enough to jump into without aided engine suction.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

What aircraft do you fly?

Are we playing the you're probably not even a real pilot game? I'm the only non-anonymous pilot on this forum, you can do a search  😂🤣
 

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

Literally no one here is saying they should have continued.  We're saying that this happened so fast and most likely outside the view of the pilots that by the time they saw anything they could not have reacted fast enough.  Most likely is that the pilots were completely dependent on comms from the ground/ops/or plugged in ground crew while this was happening

You are making wild inferences.  Stop being a spaz.

Inferences? A quick review:
 

12 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. The passengers will survive the 30 seconds of darkness as you wait for the Apu to come online, and aside from saving a life, you may be saving a whole lot of people a whole lot of trauma from seeing something most people can't handle seeing.

Now, point to the part where I said this was the fault of the pilots in the video? It's nowhere. 

The follow-up:
 

11 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown.

Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. 

Another inference:
 

6 hours ago, FourFans said:

He's making the point that if the pilots had toggled the engines as soon as that guy approached the plane it would have made no difference given the time-span of this event.

Aside from being incorrect (it was 15 seconds into the video when he jumped in. That's a loooooonnnggg time for engines to spool down), its irrelevant. Is it better to keep them running, or is it better to shut them down? It's not always a lunatic with a death wish. Sometimes it's a ramper holding a couple chocks, or an over eager bag-thrower who didn't realize the engines are still running because the cooldown hasn't elapsed. You gunna wait to see if he keeps walking towards the engine because "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown?"
 

6 hours ago, FourFans said:

Stop trying blame pilots for things they can't control.

Again, please point to the part where I blamed (or made any reference at all to) the pilots in the video?
 

3 minutes ago, Pooter said:

I think you're the one fixated on being "technically right" brainstorming a perfect hypothetical pilot reaction in a scenario that lasted a grand total of 26 seconds. I don't know how you do ground ops but I don't spend the entire time craning my neck to check my 5 and 7 o'clock on the off chance a suicidal spanish drug addict decides today is the day he's going to swan dive into one of my engines.

Perfect hypothetical pilot reaction? If "turn the engines off if someone is approaching them" is perfect in your book, then I guess I must be Chuck Yeager. 
 

6 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Yes, if you see a crazy spanish man running towards one of your engines, probably shut it down.

Look at that, you agree with me. So what is with all the commentary? I never made a promise that shutting down the engines will guarantee survival. I did however point out that you are an idiot if you think it matters. If anyone here can spell out a scenario where it's safer to leave the engines running "if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be," I'm all ears. 

Or is this just because I said mean things to disgruntled? He's a big boy, he can take it. 
 

[FourFans]

...or just continue being a spaz...your call

Edited Tuesday at 01:31 PM by FourFans

[M2]

 

[disgruntledemployee]

15 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

The follow-up:

On 7/14/2025 at 11:55 AM, disgruntledemployee said:

Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown.

Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. 
 

No, it's like saying engines keep spinning around and a round.  It's not a Vitamix.  They don't immediately stop when the gas is shut off.  Even a stiff breeze can get the fan spinning quite fast, maybe enough to cause deadly injuries.  Maybe you know this, maybe you don't.    

Bud, the forum has spoken.  No need to go full tard on this.  Brakes?  Really?

[Hacker]

Over the last 25 years I've been on this forum, I thought I'd already read the most inane and pointless chaff possible.

(checks Baseops and reads this thread)

Ope, I guess not. This is the low-water mark.

Carry on.

[uhhello]

Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here.  Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed.  Only way this is getting solved.  

[Biff_T]

6 hours ago, M2 said:

 

No me gusta. 

 

 

This also sucks:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/post/worker-dies-getting-trapped-machine-tinas-burritos-factory-vernon/17114124/

Edited Tuesday at 11:10 PM by Biff_T
Afterthought

[brabus]

27 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Only way this is getting solved. 

Or a super drink off, bunch of amateurs around here! (Spoiler, the first round will be too close to call)

[Smokin]

27 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here.  Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed.  Only way this is getting solved.  

This might be the first time I've agreed with @disgruntledemployee, but I've seen a 10 knot wind make the engine windmill enough during the walk-around that looked to me like it could cut off an arm.  Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP.  Your eyes are 95% inside on the ground if you're not moving.  Absolutely 0% chance that I'd notice someone running towards the engines and think "I bet they're going to commit suicide, I'd better shut the engines down just in case."

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, uhhello said:

Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here.  Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed.  Only way this is getting solved.  

You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons!

[Biff_T]

23 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons!

This may help:

https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/preview/321142

[uhhello]

Hear me out here.  Lets just give the tower or ground crews universal fuel shutoff switches to aircraft engines.  Every guy on the line and in the tower has kill switch app on their phone.  Problem solved.  

[Boomer6]

4 hours ago, Smokin said:

Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP.  

 

[TreeA10]

No idea where this jet was in the movement process such as arrival or departure but let's assume it just pushed back. The crew is listening to the ground push crew (it does not appear anyone was on a headset with the crew but there are Bluetooth set ups now) and ramp or ground control.  Unless one of those two entities told the crew that a lunatic was approaching the aircraft with the intent to throw himself into an intake, the crew had 0 visibility under the wing or close to the fuselage and had no idea this guy was there. Hard to react to a threat you never saw.

[Lord Ratner]

22 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

No idea where this jet was in the movement process such as arrival or departure but let's assume it just pushed back. The crew is listening to the ground push crew (it does not appear anyone was on a headset with the crew but there are Bluetooth set ups now) and ramp or ground control.  Unless one of those two entities told the crew that a lunatic was approaching the aircraft with the intent to throw himself into an intake, the crew had 0 visibility under the wing or close to the fuselage and had no idea this guy was there. Hard to react to a threat you never saw.

The funny thing is, no one has said they should have. Or that you should be looking for it. Or that in this instance they would have seen the guy. Or any of the things that precipitated the shift towards "stop blaming pilots!"

[Lord Ratner]

On 7/15/2025 at 10:12 PM, uhhello said:

Hear me out here.  Lets just give the tower or ground crews universal fuel shutoff switches to aircraft engines.  Every guy on the line and in the tower has kill switch app on their phone.  Problem solved.  

That's kinda impractical.

 

What if they left their phone in the break room? Better to use AI. "Hey Siri, shut down the left engine!"

[uhhello]

19 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

That's kinda impractical.

 

What if they left their phone in the break room? Better to use AI. "Hey Siri, shut down the left engine!"

We have to deal in reality.   Siri integration can come in later versions. 

[disgruntledemployee]

Cool.... some AI listening and doing shit in an airplane because someone said it out loud.  What could go wrong...