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To be clear, I don't think you should refuse a breathalyzer if you are told to take it. What I said, and what ALPA says, is do not offer to take one to 'prove your innocence'. There is a big difference. Pulled over on the side of the road by the police, absolutely refuse the invitation to a field sobriety test. They are not mandatory in any state that I know of and it is a no-win scenario. I'd be interested to know the stat (probably doesn't exist) on the percentage of people that pass a field sobriety test. Probably low single digits or a percentage that starts with 0. The test is 100% subjective and the person grading the test is already convinced you're drunk or he wouldn't ask. A sober Olympic gymnast could fail it. If a cop tells you to take a breathalyzer, there are many states where refusing to do that also is an automatic suspension of your driver's license, which is probably where the FAA got that idea.

Not yet an official law, but the Kelly Loving Act has passed the Colorado House and would authorize the state to revoke a parent's custody for misgendering their own kids.

Does anyone in the states do roadside breathalyzer's anymore?

Then begin Operation Shoe Clerk Subversion Standardize the part 141 training, shift from existing ESAs to stand alone programs at aviation schools; get more training at these schools before they report to UPT, flight time in something fast (relatively) that can put on Gs to build fast thinking and high SA in a busy mil pattern, etc… basically more UPT just before they report to UPT. I don’t have any tail dragger time but after a PPL, instrument and AMEL courses, could an average student get the endorsement in about 10-15 hours then get another 20-30 hours in something like an Extra 300 (as an example) to get experience in a fast(er), maneuverable aircraft before the T-6 and would that increase the chance for success? I’d rather see UPT resurrected but that is not likely to happen so like aikido, go where the energy is going till you can direct it where you want it to go.

Ozzy, RIP

You will not be eligible for disability if you refuse a breathalyzer. It was made crystal clear to every pilot that you do not have the right to refuse drug testing in this job. Pretty much the same as how we forfeited that right in the military.

I've been breathalyzed twice and passed, and immediately sent on my way. Once for driving without headlights on, but it was well lit and I didn't notice. I do agree with minimizing interactions when you believe you are under threat of charges, and personally I would just ask for the breathalyzer *over* the FST, because the cop can't bias a breathalyzer. At a certain point you end up as the guy refusing to roll down a window when he's pulled over. Sure, you have the right to do it, but being a dickhead to a cop *before* the cop has proven to be a dickhead is just conflict-seeking behavior. Most cops are good. Plenty of places in the world where that isn't true, but America isn't one of them, no matter how many bad-cop videos the algorithm feeds you because they think you'll watch more ads that way.

hacker is the fucking man i am on record many times saying this....glad you met him!

https://www.ktvu.com/news/delta-co-pilot-arrested-flight-from-minneapolis-child-porn-charges-report sickening...if allegations are true*

The refusal includes refusal of any tests, including vehicular/DUI-related. It’s not just jetbridge refusals. So bottom line, you refuse a DUI-related test and your medical is gone for a while. I think that’s complete bullshit, but apparently that’s how it currently is. The FAA really needs to change that approach.

2 same, my comments were off topic & specifically regarding being pulled over by police; apologies for any confusion I caused. back on topic- I was hit for a random urinalysis landing on my last trip. It's a good deal (if you aren't late for a commute) because it's 15 minutes of pay for 5 minutes work. But I nearly missed the summons: the person delivering it was not an English speaker, not even close, and was waiting for the CA who they erroneously thought required first contact. Being end of sequence I was leaving ASAP & had an FA not called out to me I would be the one stuck in litigation for "refusing" a test I never knew about.

Just to clarify, contrary to my roadside gameplan, I would enthusiastically submit to breathalyzer offered on a jetbridge. Fun story: Pilot is on his way home from a trip, gets a call from a CP asking why he refused his random test. Fast forward several years, and lots of litigation, turns out that the minimum wage, non-English speaker with a clipboard didn’t get the job done that day. I’m guessing that the award didn’t make up for the lost income, and stress of having to litigate the case. Unfortunately he was over 65 when the case finally finished.

Out of curiosity, I looked into the FAA side - as Arg mentioned, refusing any test is going to fuck you out of your medical for a while (length of time seems nebulous based on unpredictable speed of bureaucracy). I completely understand the perspectives above, just know your airline job is on hold for probably 6+ months if you refuse any test. No idea how the company would handle this (treated as disability, med leave, leave of absence without pay, double secret probation, etc?) That’s a real gut check in the moment.

Just got to PIT, but this seems like its a foregone conclusion at this point. AETC/19AF aren't running FUPT as an experiment. This is the new reality, so deal with it. Sent from my SM-S936U using Tapatalk

It's a tough call. The FAA takes your medical(?) for a year.

OA-1K drops are to OKANG studs so they know what they’re getting! Not available to AD yet.

Guess he should’ve just taken the breathalyzer.

As the saying goes Boulder is 26 square miles surrounded by reality.

If wanted high capacity magazines and to buy an AR-15, I’d go back home to Cheyenne, WY to do it where I can since it’s legal and cheaper. Show me a CO law where a minor can dictate the healthcare of themselves without parental consent? What I meant was Douglas County is still clean, people still get arrested and go to jail/prison for committing crimes, and the migrants wanting to wash your windshield at intersections and harass people doesn’t exist…unlike Denver. Douglas County is also one of the wealthiest counties in the U.S., so all the pronoun-obsessed younger Millennials and Gen Z progressives can’t afford to live there, which is a great thing.

Yeah they're making the heavy guys find out their ops unit after the FTU now. Recent change.

If the Lt only wants to fly and doesn’t care about promotion, it's a good gig. Flying a hands-on aircraft for a few years then switching to another MWS (assuming they cancel the mission) doesn't sound too bad (once again if the Lt doesn't care about making rank).

"Listen man, we're just going to run a few tests so that I can establish that you're safe to drive. It won't take too long, and you'll be on your way." Enter, the Drug Recognition Expert. Blow zero? Yeah, doesn't matter. For further Google fun, look up the 600+ sober DUI arrests in Tennessee. BREAK BREAK: Just to pull this discussion back on subject. On the side of the road, about the time when the cop starts with the small-talk questions (which are not small talk), I'm limiting my answers, and I will quickly establish that I don't consent to searches or roadside tests. On the jetbridge is another story. The rules of evidence are different, and I'm more concerned at that moment with my fitness to fly and further employment, in that proximal priority.

I could understand the -135 since who wants to go to McConnnell? In the C-17 world Altus is the worst base for that community, flying wise. They have Hickman, Charleston, McChord, Travis, Elmendorf, McGuire, Dover, etc.

If a cop is asking you to do FST, he already thinks you’re going to fail. He’s just looking for more proof.

Because you are already committed to a ton of ass pain/time lost once a cop asks you to perform FST/breathalizer. Ever hear of them letting someone off when they pass? They already think you’re under an influence so any engagement at all will only serve to increase their SA collection from which they will subjectively select more items to justify the conclusion they’ve already reached. So you now have several hours of dick pain in front of you. Accept that, and position yourself for maximum advantage by demanding blood draw. You cannot win FST or Breathalizer. Cops are trained to tell you lies and it’s legal: “hey just blow in this for me and we’ll have you on your way” or “you seem fine to me but our new policy is everyone does a few FST items just to be sure we’re all safe, it’s just policy & it’ll be quick.” Nope, fights on, maneuver accordingly. Speak the absolute minimum required, stay in your circle, tell them blood draw if detained on suspicion of DUI. Regardless of your sobriety, you are in danger.