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We've all seen this before wrt bosses and stats. While the ICE mission, supposedly, of ridding our cities of violent intl gangs, which one could argue crosses lines with say local, state, and FBI LE orgs, seems just and righteous, their TTPs are way off in execution. ICE/DHS leadership sucks. IMO, they care more about tweets, headlines, etc than actually performing a leadership job. All they want are numbers, not real substantial arrests, which takes a way lot more work. The ICE dude that just got relieved apparently twit spars on the socials, spends time with interviews and sparring there, and so on, vs maybe doing his leadership job. ICE/DHS has lost here, and elsewhere, because they did it wrong. Killing Americans, violating rights of Americans, has turned ICE into the gestapo. Papers? Congress has failed in its job too. DHS/ICE leadership is incompetent. Agents will be left holding the bag when the justice orgs come around to pin accountability. @slc WRT Shwalm, man I just learned how to do insurgency. Joking aside, if what he says is true, the other side is winning. They're calling draw plays with huge gains with every kid used as bait, every mom beat up, every pinned down dude pepper sprayed, and every person shot and killed. I have yet to see a perp walk of 50 Somali gangsters, which if they did only that kind of work, did it every week, and not some poor kid doing roofing jobs out of a Home Depot parking lot, then ICE would be winning hearts and minds. BTW, the Minni Somali gang hood is much further south, across the MS river (thanks googs). It's come to the point that ICE is now spending more time fighting crowds than doing their normal job. As such, they've become ineffective. The goon squad approach has backfired bigly. PS. I wonder how much of that 2 hr meeting w/ Trump was spent with Noem begging to keep her job.
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It really does feel like someone's trying to reboot the 2020 "Summer of Love." They want their George Floyd-style martyr. They want riots and unrest. I take a little bit of solace in the fact that, as I look around at the people I know who are always ardent supporters of The Current Thing, they're a little ambivalent. Oh they'll still give you a hearty "Fuck ICE" if you ask them. But they're not going out of their way. Not a lot of banners over their social media profile pictures like with Covid, and that sort of thing. I think people have run out of give a fuck, along with being overwhelmed just keeping their heads above water in our ever-deteriorating economy.- Iran has gone completely sideways
The kid is going to lose his shit if the 35's, Hornets and Vipers get the kills and he left holding a balloon (marking).- Border crisis
There's always at least two sides to every story. What I see is the product of someone who wasn't raise right nor trained in concealed carry correctly meeting what appear to be either poorly trained or poorly disciplined law enforcement agents. One of the things that was hammered into me in the multiple carry trainings I've done is that the first interaction you have with a law enforcement officer in the wild is stating "I'm concealed carrying" with a full description of where the weapon is while making no threatening movements. In short order I'd fully expecting to be disarmed and possibly restrained depending on the situation. I'm perfectly ok with being disarmed as it's for everyone's safety. We're on the same team: defending public safety. This guy was carrying, while recording, and then actively stepped between the police and someone they were interacting with. Wrong on so many levels. On the opposite side, 7 v 1 with one guy disarming the individual while not effectively communicating that he's done so all in the span of seconds with heated words and actions is a hell of a chaotic situation. It did not look like a well led and organized response to what had been a non-lethal event. But non-lethal goes lethal real fast. That's the end of my speculation with one caveat. I had the opportunity to do shoot/don't shoot live role playing training with sims. I failed all 5 scenarios, which is, according to the instructor, absolutely normal for a normal dude off the street. I came away knowing I needed more training. Use of force events are messy, complicated, confusing events with split-second decision making bearing life-long consequences for all involved. It convinced me that I have no place critiquing cops in shooting events. I am, however, fully convinced this is exactly the kind of event the extreme left agitators have been wanting out of all this so they can beat the drum of tyranny, get a political win by twisting the media narrative, then press their advantage once political leadership caves. It's all straight out of "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals" by Saul Alinsky, which is the baseline organizers/agitator playbook. It's a disgusting abuse of ignorant, but largely innocent, protestors in the streets. The article from the marine highlighting that this is well organized and more of an insurgency than activism seems to fit the more I learn.- Border crisis
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Very much so... National Asset.- Border crisis
If the legalities of the use of force justify this shooting, then copy. However, I judge in the "totality of the situation" that the feds shit the bed here. You all have your own opinions already, but hear me out, and don't compare me with the cuck-o-saurus also posting counter points. Why the officer pushed the woman the way he did, I don't know or understand. There very well could be a previous part of the video that justifies that and I just haven't seen it. To me it looks like an over-aggressive and unnecessary escalation. Pretti trying to help her up seems like the actions of a dude who had parents that raised him right. If I was walking on the sidewalk there I may have tried to help her up myself. I don't disagree with points regarding conduct whilst one is CC. Maybe there's something I'm missing in the video here as well but that same officer had a second chance to de-escalate by letting the woman be helped up and moved off the curb. Then the rugby scrum of trying to tackle Pretti...This many dudes not being able to subdue this guy without shooting him blows me away. Trust me, I actually understand it is difficult to do this when a grown man doesn't want to be subdued, but that's their ffing job. I respect the training some of you have to analyze the appropriate employment of restraint techniques in this situation. I lack that training, so does the rest of America, so forgive me if I think these guys look like monkeys ffing a football here. I read a report that the first shot might have been an accidental discharge. Accidental discharge or on purpose, idk which one makes them look more incompetent. I agree with all of the previous points regarding outside forces pushing for this, the state not working with the feds, and Biden being retarded. The government and these agencies probably couldn't play more into the hands of the insurgent planners unless they started doing the Nazi salute.- China & Chinese Shenanigans
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29s or J-10s?- Flying Videos Thread Part 2?
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Iran now flying DCA caps...Raptor likely chomping at their bits...- Border crisis
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Doh! NASA Canberra gear up landing today.- Border crisis
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Having trained police cadets as a "hobby" (volunteer work), nothing that ICE is doing isn't SOP for dealing with a mob. Note I didn't say "peaceful protest,' which IS protected by the First Amendment (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”). This is a mob and traditional escalation of force is "ask, tell, make." The use‑of‑force continuum is a framework that guides officers in selecting the appropriate level of force based on a subject’s behavior and the threat posed. It emphasizes using the least amount of force necessary to safely gain control. Step 4, Hard (Physical) Control, is used when a subject is actively resisting and includes strikes (open‑hand or closed‑fist), take‑down and pain‑compliance techniques which is what we saw here. Step 6, Deadly Force, is only allowed when an officer reasonably believes a subject poses an imminent threat of death or serious harm to the officer or others, which includes the presence of a firearm, vehicle ramming (in extreme cases) or other lethal techniques. All require Necessity, Proportionality, Reasonableness and, if possible, De‑escalation. The underlying principle is to use the least force necessary and increase only as the threat increases! As for the criticism that the officers did not immediately apply lifesaving measures on Pretti, their first priority is ensuring all threats are neutralized before doing so. So, as far as I can determine, these shootings--while tragic--are good shoots! A use‑of‑force justification is normally evaluated using the Graham v. Connor “objective reasonableness” standard, Agency‑specific policies, deadly‑force criteria and the following factors: imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, weapon presence, subject behavior, officer perception based on training and totality of circumstances.- Border crisis
I think most in the country agree with this. They should be removed ASAP. I suspect somebody in the administration is briefing a daily PowerPoint slide with a removal number and the bigger the number the happier the administration. We've all been tasked in the military to brief a metric that frankly means nothing in the infinite scheme of things, but we do it because that's what the boss wants. I will say catching the bad guys is hard. ICE can probably roll up 10 illegals with just an immigration violation just trying to scratch out a living in the time it takes to track down a one really bad guy. Truthfully the bad guys know ICE has come to town and beat feet right away to Vegas while waiting for ICE to move on to another city. The locals are usually in a position to give good intelligence on the bad guys but if you make them afraid to come forward things tend to dry up. This sounds so much like a movie I lived before in faraway places. If they are criminals convicted of anything serious, they're probably already serving their sentence in prison.- Border crisis
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