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Is police bodycam AI clickbait now days? I've personally never had a interaction above a speeding ticket with the po po. I agree they are a fraction of daily encounters. They are enough. Do you have to personally witness it to call it 'stupid'? Do I need to point you to the video of the 'dumb fuck' disarming a guy and shooting him in the leg? "Dumb fuck" status well earned.

When people lie as the entry point of a conversation, it's pretty difficult to take anything else that they say as serious. So we have all of these "peaceful" protesters who are just "monitoring" law enforcement with their cell phone cameras. Yet with all this peaceful monitoring going on, I have yet to see a video of a poor illegal immigrant mother being torn from her children while at the park, or an illegal immigrant doctor being kidnapped from the surgery suite. The closest thing I've seen are heavily edited videos that try to remove the part of the interaction where the illegal immigrant was fleeing either on foot or in a vehicle, in many cases putting the people around them at risk. So if these peaceful protesters aren't actually monitoring anything, why are they there and why are they being encouraged to be there by politicians? I suspect if you were to ask the protesters in a candid moment, they would admit that what they're really trying to do is just get in the way and disrupt as many deportations or incarcerations as they can, because fundamentally they believe that illegal immigrants have a right to be, well, anywhere I guess. But I think if you were to ask the people funding and directing them, you would get an answer far more similar to what Clark and Smokin and a couple others have proposed. Distract from the Somali welfare story and de-legitimize the entire premise of immigration control with whatever or distorted accounts of police violence. Those two goals alone help a wide range of progressive policies. As usual, no one on either side actually gives a shit about the illegal immigrants.

Look at us! We're in power now and we're making changes!

The VA law is nonsense, but that picture is inaccurate. That description applies plus: -A fixed magazine of more than 10 rounds -Detachable magazine plus one of the following {insert expanded AWB list, threaded barrel, collapsible stock, etc.} Political posturing.

If they make it a law though, all the people that intend to use guns for nefarious purposes will be first in line to turn their in, right?

I have not seen the video of him being shot (dealing with some family health issues), but this popped up on my phone while waiting in the hospital. Not saying the guy deserved to die but he is not the innocent angel the left is making him out to be. A week after spitting on an officer, damaging a vehicle and having a violent interaction with an ICE officers he decides to attend another protest with a gun and extra mags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu6vogwcLt8

So glad I left Va.

Excluding what you've seen online, how many, specifically, is "MANY"? I'm encountering and increasing number of individuals (specifically boomers and older x'ers) who conflate what they see online with "personal experience" and deriving personal beliefs and stereotypes that are actually based on exceptions and AI generated clickbate. The repository of stupid that's recorded online represents a tiny fraction of the law enforcement encounters. I try very hard to base my opinions on factual reality, not the exceptional cases that get lots of attention. I've been carrying in some form or fashion for 20 years now. I've had roughly 20 experiences with law enforcement of international, federal, state, local, civilian and military varieties that included detentions, warnings, breaking up civil disputes, traffic stops etc. Day to day type events. I've personally witnessed all of zero events where a police officer handled a situation poorly enough to call it "stupid". Overly cautious? Yes. Decisions I disagreed with? Yes. Stupid? No. So I'm curious to hear about these stories you have that resulted in your readiness to call a random police officer a "dumb fuck" by reflex, as you just did. Please elaborate for us if you will.

Nobody said anything about being aggressive. I've seen MANY an instance where the mere mention of a firearm brings out the stupid in cops. I've also seen many a situation that was handled like a champ by the po po. "don't show me yours and I won't show you mine". I'm not offering anything up that isn't pertinent to the situation or required by law. Lastly, I don't want the dumb fuck shooting me in the dick when 'disarming' me.

Aggressive ICE ops wouldn't be necessary if the Republicans in Congress would get off their asses and pass some laws that a) dramatically increased the penalties for employing illegals (i.e. seizure of business, heavy jail time, etc.), b) 50% tax on remittances, ban on illegals receiving any taxpayer funded assistance, c) bill their home countries for their education and medical care costs incurred in the US (and trade embargoes on those who don't pay up), and d) remove counting illegals in the Census for Congressional apportionment (which is why the Dems are fighting so hard to keep them here, plus the kickbacks and grift). Most would self-deport were these policies enacted and aggressive ICE ops wouldn't be necessary. But the Republicans in Congress are only pretending to oppose the Dems.

TL/DR: It depends entirely on the situation, but regardless I'm ready to be disarmed by a LEO. I'll fight it in court, not in the moment. It's about managing my own expectations and it all boils down to the officer and his/her assessment of the situation. If I talk to the sheriff in church as I walk by, I'm fine. She knows I'm armed. If I am the first responder who engages an active shooter in that same church, I fully expect that same sheriff to disarm me afterwards. A: the situation is over and shootings result in frayed nerves and shaking hands. B: evidence. The reason doesn't matter, I've decided before it all happens that I'm submitting to the proper authority. If the officer deems according policy/judgment that disarming me is advisable, I'm not resisting in the slightest. It might be a complete BS reason. There also might be a factor I don't know about. If I feel like my rights are getting trampled, that specific moment is NOT the time to take a stand. I must give the officer the benefit of the doubt. The officer is not required to reciprocate. In fact, the officer literally stays alive by NOT automatically giving people the benefit of the doubt. If it was wrong and/or illegal, we can figure that out in court...later...when loaded weapons aren't in play. I'm also of the opinion and experience that simply acting as described above will relieve any tension and most likely the officer will not escalate to disarming me. It's about expectations. If I act like I am superior with better legal knowledge than this officer, they can smell it, it's a red flag for them, and it does nothing to help the situation, regardless of how right I am. To use an analogy: I treat every police officer the same way I treat the range safety officer I've never met: With absolute deference to the authority they hold in that moment. Yes, some that suck. Most don't. But every single one should be treated with respect. If they prove undeserving, I bring it up with management later, not on the range.

Wendover is a former B-29 base, too, so we have been looking at that.

ICE has a legitimate function. They are not operating like this in red states because red states cooperate with the feds. If MN went back to cooperating, this type of activity wouldn't be necessary. Just because some radical Soros funded organizations are purposefully causing riots (or insurrections?) that are getting people killed, that doesn't mean law enforcement should cease. My kids throw temper tantrums occasionally. If my kids organize and throw a temper tantrum together, that doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly stop enforcing the rules as a parent. Give into that behavior as a parent or as a country and the only thing you can expect is that same tactic anytime they want something.

Mostly this activist action against ICE is to distract the conversation from the electoral kryptonite of the MN welfare fraud scandal (and other states) They know the attention span of the public is short and they need a narrative they can spin against the Republicans in the mid terms This is a calculated planned funded political operation, a theater level action.

The left has been against deporting illegal aliens for some time now. Using the media, “protests”, and one off tragic events to try to turn the public to their side is just the standard left trying to gain political points. You can be against LEO being too aggressive (and definitely be against them harming the innocent), be pro-2A, and also be for deporting illegal aliens…but let’s not pretend this is what the left is doing.

A bit more on the new IPT https://simpleflying.com/end-of-pueblo-us-air-force-pilots-training/

We've all seen this before wrt bosses and stats. While the ICE mission, supposedly, of ridding our cities of violent intl gangs, which one could argue crosses lines with say local, state, and FBI LE orgs, seems just and righteous, their TTPs are way off in execution. ICE/DHS leadership sucks. IMO, they care more about tweets, headlines, etc than actually performing a leadership job. All they want are numbers, not real substantial arrests, which takes a way lot more work. The ICE dude that just got relieved apparently twit spars on the socials, spends time with interviews and sparring there, and so on, vs maybe doing his leadership job. ICE/DHS has lost here, and elsewhere, because they did it wrong. Killing Americans, violating rights of Americans, has turned ICE into the gestapo. Papers? Congress has failed in its job too. DHS/ICE leadership is incompetent. Agents will be left holding the bag when the justice orgs come around to pin accountability. @slc WRT Shwalm, man I just learned how to do insurgency. Joking aside, if what he says is true, the other side is winning. They're calling draw plays with huge gains with every kid used as bait, every mom beat up, every pinned down dude pepper sprayed, and every person shot and killed. I have yet to see a perp walk of 50 Somali gangsters, which if they did only that kind of work, did it every week, and not some poor kid doing roofing jobs out of a Home Depot parking lot, then ICE would be winning hearts and minds. BTW, the Minni Somali gang hood is much further south, across the MS river (thanks googs). It's come to the point that ICE is now spending more time fighting crowds than doing their normal job. As such, they've become ineffective. The goon squad approach has backfired bigly. PS. I wonder how much of that 2 hr meeting w/ Trump was spent with Noem begging to keep her job.

I think disarming you with no reason is the opposite of everyones safety and not legal.

It really does feel like someone's trying to reboot the 2020 "Summer of Love." They want their George Floyd-style martyr. They want riots and unrest. I take a little bit of solace in the fact that, as I look around at the people I know who are always ardent supporters of The Current Thing, they're a little ambivalent. Oh they'll still give you a hearty "Fuck ICE" if you ask them. But they're not going out of their way. Not a lot of banners over their social media profile pictures like with Covid, and that sort of thing. I think people have run out of give a fuck, along with being overwhelmed just keeping their heads above water in our ever-deteriorating economy.

The kid is going to lose his shit if the 35's, Hornets and Vipers get the kills and he left holding a balloon (marking).

There's always at least two sides to every story. What I see is the product of someone who wasn't raise right nor trained in concealed carry correctly meeting what appear to be either poorly trained or poorly disciplined law enforcement agents. One of the things that was hammered into me in the multiple carry trainings I've done is that the first interaction you have with a law enforcement officer in the wild is stating "I'm concealed carrying" with a full description of where the weapon is while making no threatening movements. In short order I'd fully expecting to be disarmed and possibly restrained depending on the situation. I'm perfectly ok with being disarmed as it's for everyone's safety. We're on the same team: defending public safety. This guy was carrying, while recording, and then actively stepped between the police and someone they were interacting with. Wrong on so many levels. On the opposite side, 7 v 1 with one guy disarming the individual while not effectively communicating that he's done so all in the span of seconds with heated words and actions is a hell of a chaotic situation. It did not look like a well led and organized response to what had been a non-lethal event. But non-lethal goes lethal real fast. That's the end of my speculation with one caveat. I had the opportunity to do shoot/don't shoot live role playing training with sims. I failed all 5 scenarios, which is, according to the instructor, absolutely normal for a normal dude off the street. I came away knowing I needed more training. Use of force events are messy, complicated, confusing events with split-second decision making bearing life-long consequences for all involved. It convinced me that I have no place critiquing cops in shooting events. I am, however, fully convinced this is exactly the kind of event the extreme left agitators have been wanting out of all this so they can beat the drum of tyranny, get a political win by twisting the media narrative, then press their advantage once political leadership caves. It's all straight out of "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals" by Saul Alinsky, which is the baseline organizers/agitator playbook. It's a disgusting abuse of ignorant, but largely innocent, protestors in the streets. The article from the marine highlighting that this is well organized and more of an insurgency than activism seems to fit the more I learn.

Lol. Of course if was it was an accidental discharge. It was a P320!

If we can only be so lucky.