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Can anyone decipher the latest DOD travel guidance?

Yeah don’t go anywhere...

This green/red craziness CONUS/OCONUS stuff is just insane.


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My question, what happens when a "green" area turns "red" when you're there.  Automatic quarantine? 

What if it's green for weeks and you buy plane tickets to go, then it turns red days before your leave.  Leave cancelled?  Any recourse to get your $$ back?  

Like Lawman said, it's easier to just stay put...

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8 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I wouldn’t recommend that COA. I know a guy that did that and got absolutely crushed and several guys that got booted out of WIC for similar action in the last class.

I’m sorry I thought this was America!!!

*Cue South Park clip*

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14 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I wouldn’t recommend that COA. I know a guy that did that and got absolutely crushed and several guys that got booted out of WIC for similar action in the last class.

One more piece of confirmation that people have officially lost their minds.

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On 6/25/2020 at 8:36 AM, Danger41 said:

…….. and several guys that got booted out of WIC for similar action in the last class.

For ignoring guidance?  Or for lying about ignoring guidance...? (Heard it briefed differently, that's all...)

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I think the hardest problem operating in this whole thing from a Military Orders and Mission Command perspective is the people with Birds/Stars on shoulders/Sleeves that are supposed to be making the play calls for us to take guidance from have all backed away from any decisions that have to be made.

The reason they are doing that is the last great example of somebody with a Bird/Star sacking up and saying “this is my call as a commander and I’m making it,” got publicly fired out of a cannon and his Carrier taken away.


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2 hours ago, Lawman said:

I think the hardest problem operating in this whole thing from a Military Orders and Mission Command perspective is the people with Birds/Stars on shoulders/Sleeves that are supposed to be making the play calls for us to take guidance from have all backed away from any decisions that have to be made.

The reason they are doing that is the last great example of somebody with a Bird/Star sacking up and saying “this is my call as a commander and I’m making it,” got publicly fired out of a cannon and his Carrier taken away.


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Leadership 101, make a damn decision, even if it’s not the best one.  Unfortunately many CCs see their command as a checked box enroute to general starship so they can’t taint that by actually having to be a leader. 

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On 6/24/2020 at 11:06 PM, the g-man said:


What’s this guidance you speak of? Where I am wing/cc laid out a couple days ago, 2.5 hrs driving radius for purposes of outdoor rec only.


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Here’s all the AF guidance.  But has anyone had a base or Wg/CC who has actually allowed leave outside of the local area IAW the guidance?  Ours hasn’t even mentioned it, even though the guidance has been out for a month.  Many are still referencing the now rescinded 30 Jun stop movement.

https://mypers.af.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/46605

https://mypers.af.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/47797

https://mypers.af.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/47788

 

 

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My friends in Europe are telling me that interpretation is a nightmare right now. Apparently if you go on leave your departing area and your leave area have to be green. But you can travel 8 hours on a 4 day pass. Well no guidance on what rules apply to a pass so they've been using the loop hole to go-to other countries. 

What gets crazy though is some EU countries don't recognize your SOFA status as EU residency, so they've tried to deport a few dependents back to the US instead of letting them return to Germany, the NL or whatever. It's an utter shit show.

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16 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


Hm, violating a direct order from the SECDEF doesn’t have consequences?

What ing military are you in?

 

The guard. Granted, I posted without knowing exactly what those dudes did and I'm not up to speed on all the latest AD guidelines. Booted from WIC for leaving the local area on a weekend just seemed like an extreme consequence.

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1 hour ago, stuckindayton said:

Question for the group.  When arriving at a new duty station, e.g. UPT, are you required to either quarantine for 14 days or be screened for CV?  Is your departing location considered in this decision?  Thanks for any info.

Call public health the minute you get into town. Your gaining STUS should communicate that info to you. 

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14 hours ago, Chuck17 said:

For ignoring guidance?  Or for lying about ignoring guidance...? (Heard it briefed differently, that's all...)

Chuck

Honestly, not sure of the exact details. I just know they left the local area against guidance. Unknown if there was any lying ASW that action.

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Thread bump. Now that its been around for a few months and we know a lot more about it, I'm curious to hear what people think about the state of the pandemic and the response to it. In particular, I'd like to hear from people who think the opposite that I do. I've done a fair bit of reading, and it seems to me that the response in most places seems out of proportion to the actual threat that the virus provides. Currently, the CDC best estimate for the infection fatality rate  (not to be confused with case fatality rate, which is not corrected for asymptomatic people) breaks down like this: 0-19 years: 0.003%; 20-49 years: 0.02%; 50-69 years: 0.5%; 70+ years: 5.4%. The risk for most seems quite low, and of course since asymptomatic people are least likely to go to the doctor these numbers are likely higher than actual. Given this data, is forcing business closures and lockdowns that we see in many places really the best course of action? Lockdowns and business closures are certainly having a bad effect on everyone, but the virus affects a known demographic. Also, when does it end? Getting zero cases is a mathematical impossibility given the accuracy of commonly used tests, and the economy is unlikely to be able to await a vaccine. So why does the herd immunity idea seem to be looked at so poorly? It seems to me having the groups with the >99% survival rate get herd immunity to protect the rest is the only way out, and locking down every time cases spike just seems to be delaying the inevitable. Especially since the graphs for new cases and the graphs for new deaths do not appear to be following each other anymore, indicating the healthier people are getting it and living through it and we are better at treating it. What other people's thoughts on the matter?

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Most responses are way out of line, illogical, and many probably illegal. This is 90% emotional/political and 10% about actual public health. Social distancing, mask when you meet the definition of close contact, and improved hygiene (or really what you should have always been doing) is acceptable at this current point. Everything else, especially with the data on hand, is utter bullshit. That’s my somewhat succinct viewpoint. 

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Certainly people have died this year who otherwise would not have died because of COVID. I think we can finally put to rest that this is just like the flu since infection rates are so high. Just because the death rate is so low does not mean it’s not having a tremendous effect on the country, especially on our health care system. I agree that much of the lockdown was overkill, but American resistance to pandemic countermeasures is the reason we have 5% of the world’s population but 25% of the world’s COVID cases. 

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