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5 hours ago, FDNYOldGuy said:

Yes, the status quo is clearly the epitome of mental acuity...

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Still makes far more sense than the shit that spews out of Biden's pie hole! 

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Stream of consciousness or lucky to be conscious.

Helluva choice.

One has been in Washington for 47 years.

One has been there for 3.

Which one has actually accomplished anything?  As in done something, not talk about it.

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2 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Stream of consciousness or lucky to be conscious.

Helluva choice.

One has been in Washington for 47 years.

One has been there for 3.

Which one has actually accomplished anything?  As in done something, not talk about it.

1 party is introducing socialist platforms, and 1 party is firmly against that. That is all one needs to know to make a logical choice. 

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28 minutes ago, Desk Jobs Suck said:

1 party is introducing socialist platforms, and 1 party is firmly against that. That is all one needs to know to make a logical choice. 

Sorry, I'm not really with you on this one.  The Republicans have more than proved themselves to be, at best, Democrat-lite, and more often than not, as anti-Trump as the crazies.

To wit, failing to support Trump after he won the nomination in 2016.  They rejected the rank and file party's rejection of them.  So I quit the GOP then.

Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  

Failing to oust Romney (Quisling is too kind a word for him) after he voted for one of the articles of impeachment.

And these are just the highlights.  There's literally hundreds more examples.

Oh, and failing to bring forward national reciprocity when they had the chance.

A pox on both parties.

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40 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Sorry, I'm not really with you on this one.  The Republicans have more than proved themselves to be, at best, Democrat-lite, and more often than not, as anti-Trump as the crazies.

To wit, failing to support Trump after he won the nomination in 2016.  They rejected the rank and file party's rejection of them.  So I quit the GOP then.

Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  

Failing to oust Romney (Quisling is too kind a word for him) after he voted for one of the articles of impeachment.

And these are just the highlights.  There's literally hundreds more examples.

Oh, and failing to bring forward national reciprocity when they had the chance.

A pox on both parties.

My statement is more general. To yours, yes. 2 years of controlling house, senate, and executive and they don't pull the trigger on many subjects. The GOP is weak and pathetic. It is sad that we have to rally around such a weak party but Trump has made great strides and unfortunately the GOP really is a firewall against the radical left. It's all we really have.

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52 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Trump, the very stable genius who’s administration has been so concerned about potential voter fraud lately, now says you should go ahead and commit voter fraud. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/north-carolinians-should-vote-twice-says-trump-despite-illegality

 

 

Have you heard him actually talking in this instance? If not, I encourage you to go watch and hear with your own ears, instead of pulling an article accusing him.

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I did. Apparently he says it was a sarcastic remark meant to highlight the problems with voting by mail. The article clearly states the administration’s position. However, this is from the same man who has encouraged Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries with the intent of creating havoc and insisted he was joking when he suggested injecting disinfectant into the human body when clearly he was serious. His suggestion that his supporters show up at polling places to ensure their mail in vote was counted completely negates the idea of voting by mail as a method of mitigating virus spread and further shows that the man is only motivated by the preservation of his own inflated ego. 

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Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  


That's on the entire party. They bitched for YEARS about how screwed up Obamacare was, claiming they could do better.

Then they had the chance and had literally nothing prepared. They never even brought the outline of a plan. Over and over we heard repeal and replace, but they put no effort into a replacement. They showed all their outrage was just a big talking point and that they didn't really give a shit about the ACA. Just wanted to use it for politics.

Blame McCain for his vote, but don't blame him for the entire party wasting years into chasing the car and no thought into what they'd do when they caught it.

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Everyone needs to be confident (you had better have a spine in the military or get out, not the place for those who whine incessantly-no one raised our hands) - bear with me I am leading to a point and it takes awhile I know. A slight ego probably not a bad thing either. Super ego, well if you have the stats to back it up and that’s how you get things done, especially in this bureaucracy swamp/mess - have at it. Personally dumped the GOP during the 2016 debacle of watching 16 or so other candidates trying to smack Trump down. Orange Man gets it done - Read the checklist and get it done as he marks one after another off his list of promises. What about-Mexico ain’t paying for the wall they cry, well build the damn thing anyway and Orange Godzilla may just in the end have saved us billions and more in a trade war, other countries not paying their fair share in defense at our expense, bringing back our manufacturing capabilities so we’re not so dependent upon others like children, etc the list goes on and on. Can’t imagine what good or bad depending on your view had he had no attackers/road blocks to contend with like no other President/Politicians like all the rest. I don’t agree with it all of course not that it matters. Obamacare, yup no replacement, should have gone back to the old method anything would have been better. Pandemic measures taken, we hope we learn from this, but No-Body knew what exactly to do as we all spit out 20/20 hindsight like a Monday Morning Quarterback - Oh, that’s gone too - They need a reset on their pay scale as well, argue that one. Cares Act 2.0 if those who really need it were to get what’s required then fine, but there is no accountability the first time around and tired of all the hostage taking to get whoever’s unrelated agendas met. Remember, someone always has to pay the bill, printing means nothing as we were already in Astro debt prior to Pandemicpanic.   (Both parties look like they are part of the Willy Wonka Factory of misfit workers/at least Umpa Lumpas were working). Probably will be up to the suburban housewives as the deciding factor. Majority may still despise the Orange Monster, but they damn well understand what it means to feel unsafe in a world of unrest provided by looting, murder, arson, and rape, etc. just plain thuggery and domestic terrorism. Just visit a gun store, you will have your answer let alone the “huuuge” online sales and ammunition depletion. Those who know take care of themselves and are self reliant but that’s thinking for yourself and deplorable. Police reports are just that = a report! Truly Defund the police, see what happens at an extreme level. Socialism, they are more than happy to take the shirt off your back not theirs. Obviously nothing new, you all know this deep down, negative 2 cents at this point.

*No Billionaires on here perhaps and what ego would we have if we were. Fair to say, we would have a decent sized ego and maybe that’s what it takes in this insidious environment to get more than a couple of things unscrewed. Thank goodness that other Billionaire attempt at the Whitehouse tanked.

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11 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Sorry, I'm not really with you on this one.  The Republicans have more than proved themselves to be, at best, Democrat-lite, and more often than not, as anti-Trump as the crazies.

To wit, failing to support Trump after he won the nomination in 2016.  They rejected the rank and file party's rejection of them.  So I quit the GOP then.

Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  

Failing to oust Romney (Quisling is too kind a word for him) after he voted for one of the articles of impeachment.

And these are just the highlights.  There's literally hundreds more examples.

Oh, and failing to bring forward national reciprocity when they had the chance.

A pox on both parties.

You speak a lot of truth.  This is why Trump is so hated amongst the establishment, and so revered by many.  He’s not a politician.  He’s not a RINO.  He’s not a puppet.  

I don’t care about his personality; his policies are exactly what America needs.  I’d rather take a loud mouth New Yorker than an empty suit who can read a teleprompter.  Heck, Biden can’t even do that.  

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2 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

Everyone needs to be confident (you had better have a spine in the military or get out, not the place for those who whine incessantly-no one raised our hands) - bear with me I am leading to a point and it takes awhile I know. A slight ego probably not a bad thing either. Super ego, well if you have the stats to back it up and that’s how you get things done, especially in this bureaucracy swamp/mess - have at it. Personally dumped the GOP during the 2016 debacle of watching 16 or so other candidates trying to smack Trump down. Orange Man gets it done - Read the checklist and get it done as he marks one after another off his list of promises. What about-Mexico ain’t paying for the wall they cry, well build the damn thing anyway and Orange Godzilla may just in the end have saved us billions and more in a trade war, other countries not paying their fair share in defense at our expense, bringing back our manufacturing capabilities so we’re not so dependent upon others like children, etc the list goes on and on. Can’t imagine what good or bad depending on your view had he had no attackers/road blocks to contend with like no other President/Politicians like all the rest. I don’t agree with it all of course not that it matters. Obamacare, yup no replacement, should have gone back to the old method anything would have been better. Pandemic measures taken, we hope we learn from this, but No-Body knew what exactly to do as we all spit out 20/20 hindsight like a Monday Morning Quarterback - Oh, that’s gone too - They need a reset on their pay scale as well, argue that one. Cares Act 2.0 if those who really need it were to get what’s required then fine, but there is no accountability the first time around and tired of all the hostage taking to get whoever’s unrelated agendas met. Remember, someone always has to pay the bill, printing means nothing as we were already in Astro debt prior to Pandemicpanic.   (Both parties look like they are part of the Willy Wonka Factory of misfit workers/at least Umpa Lumpas were working). Probably will be up to the suburban housewives as the deciding factor. Majority may still despise the Orange Monster, but they damn well understand what it means to feel unsafe in a world of unrest provided by looting, murder, arson, and rape, etc. just plain thuggery and domestic terrorism. Just visit a gun store, you will have your answer let alone the “huuuge” online sales and ammunition depletion. Those who know take care of themselves and are self reliant but that’s thinking for yourself and deplorable. Police reports are just that = a report! Truly Defund the police, see what happens at an extreme level. Socialism, they are more than happy to take the shirt off your back not theirs. Obviously nothing new, you all know this deep down, negative 2 cents at this point.

*No Billionaires on here perhaps and what ego would we have if we were. Fair to say, we would have a decent sized ego and maybe that’s what it takes in this insidious environment to get more than a couple of things unscrewed. Thank goodness that other Billionaire attempt at the Whitehouse tanked.

Confident? Confident in what? That this guy will continue be incompetent if he’s re-elected? 
 

Let’s talk about that wall. As of the beginning of August, about 275 miles of wall had been built. Only 30 or so miles of new wall had been built where there were no existing barriers. Exact numbers may vary but I think you’ll agree that Trump has failed to come anywhere near achieving his vision of a big, beautiful wall spanning the length of the southern border. And no, Mexico has not paid for an inch of it. In fact, the military construction budget was pilfered to do it because, like with repealing the ACA, congress knows that a good talking point does not equal good government policy. If you want to call that a promise fulfilled, knock yourself out. The bigger, more tragic picture here is for all the talk about his stupid wall, there has been no meaningful discussion about real, effective, immigration reform. Want to curb illegal immigration? Maybe talk to the farmers and growers whose business model doesn’t work without cheap migrant labor. 
 

Back to repealing the ACA: N730 is exactly correct above. Republicans held both houses of Congress and the executive. They could have absolutely gotten that done, but in the decade since ACA was passed, conservatives have been wholely unable to come up with anything better. I would agree that the ACA has serious flaws. Republicans has their chance to fix it and abjectly failed. Trump could only offer the weak excuse: “who knew healthcare was so complicated?”. 
 

How about bringing law and order back to the apocalyptic cityscapes Trump so bleakly described in his inaugural speech? He’s been president for nearly four years. The streets that were actually bleak are bleaker and law and order is, in fact breaking down in places where it was previously peaceful. Trumps response has been to fan the flames and encourage his supporters to instigate further unrest. I do not believe for a second that The current or future Trump administration will make our streets remotely safer. The chaos he insists will be the result of a Biden administration is happening now, under his watch. 
 

What ever happened to infrastructure? Wasn’t that one of his “promises”? In four years his administration has been unable to get past initial talks with congress regarding an infrastructure bill, the one policy promise of this administration that had robust bipartisan support. The Democrats were willing to help him and he still couldn’t get it done. 
 

How about that Iran nuclear deal? Yeah, we pulled out of an imperfect agreement. Has that spurred any meaningful progress with the Iranian government. Is America safer because of it or has the region become even more unstable? Hint: it’s not the former. 
 

While we’re on the subject of foreign policy does anyone know what Trump got for spending the first year of his presidency fondling Kim Jong Un’s balls? Doesn’t seem like much has changed in Lil’ Kim’s people’s paradise. 
 

So let’s talk about something that’s one of Donnie’s strengths: The economy. It’s true that Wall Street seemed to love the man and his get out of the way policies. In fact, my own 401k swelled as a result of his economic policies. But, prosperity under Trump came in large part due to a tax cut that was extremely generous to big business, but is set to expire on average Joe’s like you and me. The real elephant in the room for those who would call themselves conservatives is that Trump is nothing of the sort when it comes to economic policy. So, at best he gets mixed reviews in this area. 
 

In fact, the only promise I can think of that the man unequivocally upheld was the promise to stack the Supreme Court with conservatives. I have to admit, the Republicans have played masterful politics here, basically stealing a nomination from the outgoing administration and putting a candidate in the White House with timing that got them another nomination and likely one more if they can hold the executive. If you’re a Republican, this is legitimate means to celebrate. But let’s face it: Any Republican candidate would have done just fine here. A Rubio, a Cruz, or a Bush would have absolutely put acceptable justices on the court. 


I fully expect a flurry of excuses from his supporters. Some may even have some validity buried in them somewhere. But one of his signature campaign phrases was “I alone can fix it”.  He hasn’t.

And all of this incompetence doesn’t even take into account the administration’s pathetic response to Covid-19, which I believe is a dead horse that I’ve already beaten in these forums. So if the ends justify the means for you; if another Supreme Court justice is worth the civil unrest, the decline of science and reason in our country, the abysmal global reputation we are fermenting, the further destabilization of troubled regions around the world, the jaded and cynical worldview one must accept to come to the conclusion that a man with no morals should be the leader of the free world.....if all of those things are worth it to you, then by all means vote to re-elect Donald Trump President of the United States for four more years. 

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As in 2016, lessor of the 2 Evils so I went with the Orange Scary man. Lots of crying out there and still going on, good to see all of the snakes on both sides come out of the grass finally. Guess someone hit a nerve and started to step on them, accidentally or not does it matter glad to see true colors. No one gave him a chance on the other side (I was middle road not too happy with the GOP as I said). Doing fairly well compared to most true politician 
 

If you recall correctly, I said build the damn wall anyway. Finally use whatever means and smack down these sanctuary cities by all means just added that cuz, why not. Father was a 1st generation immigrant who did it right. 
 

Let’s hit the high points of debate that matters being the safety of the American people = all of them. Have you been roaming around this country these past few months. Seattle, Chicago, New York, are the ones I have witnessed as of late actually being there and definitely staying in the hotels. Total debacle of failed internal government. Governors and Mayors have a job to do. Heck I was born in Manhattan how sad it is, Chicago is my base now, lived in LA as well - not Lower Alabama by any means. Federal assistance willing and able. I was Guard for 17 years after my active duty term - Governor’s do your dang job and don’t run away from your responsibilities. Now in TN, not Memphis as that will never change but I will pay more, ton of law enforcement presence in Middle TN cuz the slightest violent movement gets its head crushed as it should based on its unsubstantiated premises. Speak loud, speak louder that’s your right, but don’t break down good hard working businesses. Keep watching TV it’s slightly different and a good way to be skewed just a bit. Feed off the internet cuz it’s perfect. As Biden says: We believe in the truth not facts... enuff said. Please debate, even if you are correct and Trumps is Evil please debate!
 

Korea much quieter, where have you been or just watching. Was there 2 months ago as usual not as ball whatever you said nor is the Arab side so volatile at this moment, but always subject to change. Israeli flights thru Saudi airspace into UAE. Takes awhile to set things up over a century or more of conflicts, but everyone is a “now” or immediate gratification baller. Embassy to Jerusalem think about it. Flying into the Middle East several time this year you see an underlying workable situation, but hate is hate as you understand.
 

With limited time I will just hit a major one with the Supreme Court. Sounds like most uninformed folks I run across seem to focus on the Supreme Court... You should be worried way more about the nearly 300 judges replaced and that is where the future lies. 

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2 hours ago, Prozac said:

Confident? Confident in what? That this guy will continue be incompetent if he’s re-elected? 
 

Let’s talk about that wall. As of the beginning of August, about 275 miles of wall had been built. Only 30 or so miles of new wall had been built where there were no existing barriers. Exact numbers may vary but I think you’ll agree that Trump has failed to come anywhere near achieving his vision of a big, beautiful wall spanning the length of the southern border. And no, Mexico has not paid for an inch of it. In fact, the military construction budget was pilfered to do it because, like with repealing the ACA, congress knows that a good talking point does not equal good government policy. If you want to call that a promise fulfilled, knock yourself out. The bigger, more tragic picture here is for all the talk about his stupid wall, there has been no meaningful discussion about real, effective, immigration reform. Want to curb illegal immigration? Maybe talk to the farmers and growers whose business model doesn’t work without cheap migrant labor. 
 

Back to repealing the ACA: N730 is exactly correct above. Republicans held both houses of Congress and the executive. They could have absolutely gotten that done, but in the decade since ACA was passed, conservatives have been wholely unable to come up with anything better. I would agree that the ACA has serious flaws. Republicans has their chance to fix it and abjectly failed. Trump could only offer the weak excuse: “who knew healthcare was so complicated?”. 
 

How about bringing law and order back to the apocalyptic cityscapes Trump so bleakly described in his inaugural speech? He’s been president for nearly four years. The streets that were actually bleak are bleaker and law and order is, in fact breaking down in places where it was previously peaceful. Trumps response has been to fan the flames and encourage his supporters to instigate further unrest. I do not believe for a second that The current or future Trump administration will make our streets remotely safer. The chaos he insists will be the result of a Biden administration is happening now, under his watch. 
 

What ever happened to infrastructure? Wasn’t that one of his “promises”? In four years his administration has been unable to get past initial talks with congress regarding an infrastructure bill, the one policy promise of this administration that had robust bipartisan support. The Democrats were willing to help him and he still couldn’t get it done. 
 

How about that Iran nuclear deal? Yeah, we pulled out of an imperfect agreement. Has that spurred any meaningful progress with the Iranian government. Is America safer because of it or has the region become even more unstable? Hint: it’s not the former. 
 

While we’re on the subject of foreign policy does anyone know what Trump got for spending the first year of his presidency fondling Kim Jong Un’s balls? Doesn’t seem like much has changed in Lil’ Kim’s people’s paradise. 
 

So let’s talk about something that’s one of Donnie’s strengths: The economy. It’s true that Wall Street seemed to love the man and his get out of the way policies. In fact, my own 401k swelled as a result of his economic policies. But, prosperity under Trump came in large part due to a tax cut that was extremely generous to big business, but is set to expire on average Joe’s like you and me. The real elephant in the room for those who would call themselves conservatives is that Trump is nothing of the sort when it comes to economic policy. So, at best he gets mixed reviews in this area. 
 

In fact, the only promise I can think of that the man unequivocally upheld was the promise to stack the Supreme Court with conservatives. I have to admit, the Republicans have played masterful politics here, basically stealing a nomination from the outgoing administration and putting a candidate in the White House with timing that got them another nomination and likely one more if they can hold the executive. If you’re a Republican, this is legitimate means to celebrate. But let’s face it: Any Republican candidate would have done just fine here. A Rubio, a Cruz, or a Bush would have absolutely put acceptable justices on the court. 


I fully expect a flurry of excuses from his supporters. Some may even have some validity buried in them somewhere. But one of his signature campaign phrases was “I alone can fix it”.  He hasn’t.

And all of this incompetence doesn’t even take into account the administration’s pathetic response to Covid-19, which I believe is a dead horse that I’ve already beaten in these forums. So if the ends justify the means for you; if another Supreme Court justice is worth the civil unrest, the decline of science and reason in our country, the abysmal global reputation we are fermenting, the further destabilization of troubled regions around the world, the jaded and cynical worldview one must accept to come to the conclusion that a man with no morals should be the leader of the free world.....if all of those things are worth it to you, then by all means vote to re-elect Donald Trump President of the United States for four more years. 

Daaang, while I am not Fox News having discussed actual experiences, I will probably be accused of such due to my angles. But overall I firmly believe I have been duped by multiple networks.

How did CNN, ABC, NBC get on here. 
 

*I guess I could continue to travel around the world and carry on that previous 8 year tradition and apologize for being American, probably get a less than noble prize for it, Meh - Not gonna happen... Guess I had better vote in person whether it helps or not. It is whatever it is...

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6 hours ago, Prozac said:

Blah blah blah...

Just one question.  Do you honestly believe Biden will be any better?

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24 minutes ago, M2 said:

Just one question.  Do you honestly believe Biden will be any better?

/argument

Yes. A lot better.

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9 minutes ago, spike said:

Yes. A lot better.

Explain.

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11 hours ago, Prozac said:

How about bringing law and order back to the apocalyptic cityscapes Trump so bleakly described in his inaugural speech? He’s been president for nearly four years. The streets that were actually bleak are bleaker and law and order is, in fact breaking down in places where it was previously peaceful. Trumps response has been to fan the flames and encourage his supporters to instigate further unrest. I do not believe for a second that The current or future Trump administration will make our streets remotely safer. The chaos he insists will be the result of a Biden administration is happening now, under his watch. 

I'll concede on what you said above because I don't have much knowledge on those subjects. If they are legitimate failures on his part then so be it, he is still a human and isn't perfect, are you? I'll let someone else chime in on those policies.

 

As for the apocalyptic cities, all democrat cities, how can you say that is the federal government's fault? Those cities have been shit holes for decades, long before Trump. As far as I know, BLM and Antifa are all on the left. None of those people will be voting for Trump. He has repeatedly offered federal help for Portland and Wisconsin. Go look up what Ted Wheeler said to Trump. Go look what Gov. Evers said to Trump. 

 

So let me get this straight. It is Trump's fault that the cities are burning, but when he deploys federal aid to Portland around late July, he is now a fascist? You cannot have it both ways. There is no logic in that thought. And now the left wants us to think "vote for Joe and it will all go away!" Yeah, no. That is actually called extortion. 

 

A Trump supporter is executed outside of his neighborhood in Portland for being in Patriot Prayer. The gov. of Oregon blames white supremacists. Let me channel my inner leftist, "that is literally disgusting."

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4 hours ago, spike said:

Yes. A lot better.

I, too, would be interested in your reasoning.  Seriously.  Not because you will get me to change my mind on who I'm voting for, but what you know/believe that Biden has accomplished.

If your reasoning is "Orange Man bad" and you'd vote for anybody/anything else, I, too, can respect that.

I would've voted for the more stupid of my two dogs before I'd have voted for Hillary in 2016.

This has become a sporting/ego event where "we must prevail" over you.  ("We" can be the left or "we" can be the right.  "You" can be the left or "you" can be the right)

Both political parties have given up any policy positions or differences of opinions.  It's just brute force now.

Both parties are spending imaginary money that would make the Weimar Republic proud of the quantities.

All fun and games until the marker gets called in.

So, again, I ask, whether your agree with the actions of either candidate or not, what has Biden actually done in 47 years in politics compared to Trump in 3?

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4 hours ago, M2 said:

Just one question.  Do you honestly believe Biden will be any better?

/argument

Yes I do.
 

But I am far further left on the spectrum than you on most issues and we won’t see eye to eye on what I consider Biden’s strengths. And that’s ok. But Trump is no Republican. In fact, he’s taken a party that, believe it or not, I once considered myself a proud member of, and turned it into something unrecognizable. Up until Trump, there were tenets of the Republican platform, and Republican politicians that I deeply admired and even supported. The Republican Party was a party of statesmen that made it it’s mission to spread liberal democratic values (note: not the same as Liberal values) around the world, not a protectionist party that buried its head in the sand and pretended the outside world didn’t exist. The Republican Party I knew supported our military, not just with a budget, but with real compassion for those who serve and their families. No real Republican would EVER disparage captured, missing, or dead Americans. The Republican Party I knew was truly a fiscally conservative party capable of providing constructive and meaningful checks on their Democratic colleagues. The Republican Party I knew understood that it’s political opponents were just that: legitimate opponents who were elected by Americans, not enemies to be vanquished in a zero sum game with the intent of disenfranchising large swaths of the American public. 
 

I honestly do not expect Republicans to vote for Biden. I think he does a better job than Trump representing many of the ideals mentioned above but he is certainly no conservative. But if I were a Republican, I’d walk away from this election and this man before he could do any more damage to my party. I’d take the four years of a Biden administration (which is unlikely to implement radical liberal policies) to re shape the party into something closer to what was envisioned following the 2008 election: a party true to its conservative roots that is also capable of accepting moderate social reform and, most importantly, is more inclusive of the groups which will make up the majority of the American electorate going forward. 
 

And you know what? If the Republicans could put a somewhat moderate candidate out there in 2024. Someone who is fiscally conservative but socially, more liberal. Someone capable of reaching across the aisle. Someone who is willing to be a leader for red AND blue America. If Republicans could do that, there are an awful lot of people like me living in blue strongholds who would consider voting for that person. 

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That’s the same argument I made for what the Democrats should have done this year instead of a lifeless hack who’s been doing nothing except keeping himself in power for 47 years...and several avowed Democrats  were aghast that someone could not accept Biden as a good alternative, so I see your last paragraph as disingenuous. 

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Another liberal rag "confirms" the details of the story.  Fake news generators pandering to its audience smh.

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As far as fanning the flames of violence. Antifa sympathizer shot dead by Federal Marshall’s not fake but dead. Not local State authorities as their hands are tied by their State leaders within their Blue Stronghold, but once again Federal Marshall’s sent in to apprehend, he does not give up willingly, pulls out a weapon or whatever happened - maybe he did not resist, doesn’t matter as we weren’t there = Still Dead.

More and more of this enforcement will happen as the Federal side starts to gather info on loose groups tied to no one particular state. Groups/Movements/Person crossing state lines loosely, creating havoc, violence, etc. are being categorized as menaces to society as a whole and specifically falling into the Domestic Terrorists mold. Federal Assistance/Proactive Enforcement by one side = Welcome aboard to finally hunt down those who weren’t just fanning the flames but igniting them.
Case in point: *Quikrete a Police precinct and attempt to set it on fire is not just Arson, but attempted Murder. No wiggle room there.

Not an Orange Man statement or Biden breakdown - Just information on some Bluish State Leadership - Do your job, still not OK so the Feds will do it for you incrementally at first, then hammer down the nails that show themselves more and more and more-snowball effect.

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2 hours ago, Homestar said:
Another liberal rag "confirms" the details of the story.  Fake news generators pandering to its audience smh.

Is anyone surprised that the President acts like a petulant child?

Does anyone actually think the politicians we're looking at are quality choices?  You either accept that this is the way the game is played, vote for a third party, or freak the fuck out like this isn't the same ole shit that's been going on forever.  Everyone has already decided which is the lesser shit sandwich to eat, then rationalizes their choice by pointing to the other pile of shit while ignoring their own.

 

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1 hour ago, busdriver said:

Is anyone surprised that the President acts like a petulant child?

Does anyone actually think the politicians we're looking at are quality choices?  You either accept that this is the way the game is played, vote for a third party, or freak the fuck out like this isn't the same ole shit that's been going on forever.  Everyone has already decided which is the lesser shit sandwich to eat, then rationalizes their choice by pointing to the other pile of shit while ignoring their own.

 

True. I was more impressed with the last go third party choice of Johnson/Weld , but good luck hearing anything about the alternatives this time. 

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