Guest Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Is this all rumor mill or is there a credible source on record?I heard it was briefed at either RND or a UPT base a while back by the 19 AF/CC. That said, I had also heard that the Air Force wanted to up the bonus to 60k in 2016, then 48k in 2017, which made it through the house markup, but the Senate shot that down. I don’t see the Senate approving additional pay for pilots as long as you have guys like McCain and Cotton on the SASC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I heard it was briefed at either RND or a UPT base a while back by the 19 AF/CC. That said, I had also heard that the Air Force wanted to up the bonus to 60k in 2016, then 48k in 2017, which made it through the house markup, but the Senate shot that down. I don’t see the Senate approving additional pay for pilots as long as you have guys like McCain and Cotton on the SASC. A RAND study the AF commissioned said $72k/yr was required to retain what the AF wants. The AF asked for $60k/yr in 2016. House gave $48k/yr. McCain and cronies cut it to $35k/yr and won’t budge. I was at a briefing by a General from HAF/A3 where he gave all this info. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 They asked for $60k per year and at the same time told congress it wasn't about the money. Now they tell this revisionist history narrative that blames congress rather than their own mismanagement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: A RAND study the AF commissioned said $72k/yr was required to retain what the AF wants. The AF asked for $60k/yr in 2016. House gave $48k/yr. McCain and cronies cut it to $35k/yr and won’t budge. I was at a briefing by a General from HAF/A3 where he gave all this info. Not to worry. With the new ADSC rule change, it makes up for it. #FixedTheGlitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Dudes, there is something way better than a bonus that doesn't require you to sign anything AND you get an extra $500 a month. #StopLoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: A RAND study the AF commissioned said $72k/yr was required to retain what the AF wants. The AF asked for $60k/yr in 2016. House gave $48k/yr. McCain and cronies cut it to $35k/yr and won’t budge. I was at a briefing by a General from HAF/A3 where he gave all this info. While Congress certainly shares blame, I call bullshit on this. If the AF really wants to pay us more, and it’s just mean old Congress stopping them - then why in the name of God does the AF elect to pay LESS flight pay than Congress authorized them to pay? 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war007afa Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/8/2018 at 12:10 AM, Hunter Rose said: Curious when they will start releasing the AvB take rate percentages since last year they had them up monthly on RAW. I imagine the downward trend will continue. This makes me think we will actually see a Professional Pay proposal in FY19 since USAF already has a net loss of 149 pilots from FY17 (about the same net loss they had the two years prior). Clearly the bonus and other retention initiatives are having zero effect, and the downward trend continues. Email sent from COMAFPC to organizations stated current take rate for initial eligible pilots was sub-27%. So there’s that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Email sent from COMAFPC to organizations stated current take rate for initial eligible pilots was sub-27%. So there’s that...And I don’t see the number going up much in the remainder of the FY. With the 5 year bonus in the past, there was less of an incentive to take it early since you were probably staying til 20, so it didn’t matter if your ADSC took you to 17 years or 17 years 3 months. I imagine that the vast majority of takers will take whatever takes them to just under or just over 20, so unless they commissioned in August or September, signing late only extends their time on AD. There are probably a few still on the fence who may make an eleventh hour decision, but I don’t think there will be many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 To HAF from the peons 38 minutes ago, war007afa said: Email sent from COMAFPC to organizations stated current take rate for initial eligible pilots was sub-27%. So there’s that... To HAF from the proletariat ”Where’s the money, Lebowski?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger41 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 8 hours ago, LookieRookie said: To HAF from the peons To HAF from the proletariat ”Where’s the money, Lebowski?” Obviously, you are not a golfer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 10:02 PM, ViperStud said: Is this all rumor mill or is there a credible source on record? Given the wild, fear mongering nature of the speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 18 hours ago, war007afa said: Email sent from COMAFPC to organizations stated current take rate for initial eligible pilots was sub-27%. So there’s that... Sounds like the approximate percentage of dudes that get picked up for major's school (which includes an ADSC of 3 years post-school). So... the only dudes that are staying are dudes that are staying anyway. At least that's what I see in those numbers. Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFG Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Chuck17 said: Sounds like the approximate percentage of dudes that get picked up for major's school (which includes an ADSC of 3 years post-school). So... the only dudes that are staying are dudes that are staying anyway. At least that's what I see in those numbers. Chuck I'd say most of those guys did the "should I go to school or not" math with the expectation of the bonus... meaning if there weren't a bonus, they wouldn't be staying anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 So I spoke with an AFPC functional today. Apparently AFPC is pretty stunned with how abysmal take rates were this last FY. He said take rates of 11X initial eligibiles for most communities was in the teens. Some bases had less than ten percent takers. The actual number will be higher (just under 30%). But that number is inflated due to 12x takers and guys who renegotiated their bonus. Reality is much worse than that. McCain is gone. Time for Congress to pass a real bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Some porches have posted take rates on Portal slides...ouch. Haven't seen take rates on RAW all year...hmmm. Depressingly, NDAA FY19 locked in max AVB of $35K by just stating:overwrite 2018 with 2019 in regards to bonus pays authorization...also ouch. 333(i) of title 37, United States Code, is amended by striking ‘‘December 31, 2018’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2019’’. (d) AUTHORITIES RELATING TO TITLE 37 CONSOLIDATED SPECIALPAY, INCENTIVE PAY, AND BONUS AUTHORITIES.—The following sec-tions of title 37, United States Code, are amended by striking ‘‘December 31, 2018’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2019’ But apparently 365s will be 180s now! And flight pay is up! 😐 ....and the ticker trends yet again downward (literally there are less of us, past 2k now by my calculations, even Navs are down, but wait ABM & RPA increased!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Are the take rates here? https://starsraw.afpc.randolph.af.mil/avb/avb.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NKAWTG Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Take rates will always be a lagging indicator of the retention policies. Probably by about 6 to 8 years. Welsh's retention policies still have more influence that the current administration's does. Money is just one factor, and not the most important one. Although if they moved the decimal point, I'd entertain the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Am I reading these graphs correctly? Take rates across the board for all pilots are in the low teens to high single digits? Holy crap.... who will run the squadrons in 5 years? Apparently CSOs (take rate 70%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 What’s a CSO? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 WTF? I can't see the documents, but teens and single digits? Can someone post the numbers for MAF and CAF? I'll admit I get some pleasure from seeing a bit of a lower take rate as a signal to leadership that the problems are important enough to get people to vote with their feet, but a take rate that low is more than a little scary from a national security perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, FLEA said: Am I reading these graphs correctly? Take rates across the board for all pilots are in the low teens to high single digits? Holy crap.... who will run the squadrons in 5 years? Apparently CSOs (take rate 70%). That take rate is inflated because this year they offered it to almost any 12X beyond their service commitment. So a ton of guys already at 12-16 years and already planning on a retirement were then able to take the bonus. I don't think it'll stay that high after the initial wave of "old dudes". I know just as many 12Bs in my community planning to get out as 11Bs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, FLEA said: Holy crap.... who will run the squadrons in 5 years? Apparently CSOs (take rate 70%). CSOs, late-rated pilots, and a handful of career pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDALPHA Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, flyusaf83 said: CSOs, late-rated pilots, and a handful of career pilots. Pretty sure majority of late rate pilots will continue to find other avenues to retirement instead of staying AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, torqued said: I'll admit I get some pleasure from seeing a bit of a lower take rate as a signal to leadership that the problems are important enough to get people to vote with their feet, but a take rate that low is more than a little scary from a national security perspective. My thoughts exactly. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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