Israel strikes Tehran

[Sua Sponte]

https://youtu.be/CjQO6XH67fU?si=OgcsuTz0Rtm1ApEy

[Lord Ratner]

15 minutes ago, Anon1 said:

Classic deflection.

 I really don't give a shit about what someone who hasn't been in the political scene since 2016 has to say. I care that our President who ran on the platform of no new wars/peace and currently has that power/authority just put targets on the backs of all my buddies still in the shit hole called the middle east. 

P.S. Full context of this quote: “If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel what would our response be?” Clinton said. “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran. That’s what we will do. There is no safe haven.”

Buddy, the idea that peace is attained and maintained through abstention from kinetic acts is the most childish view of the world one could possibly have. 

 

Peace has never, and will never come from peaceful actions. It always and forever will be the product of extreme violence. And even then, it relies on the good guys (a rare phenomenon in human history) to want peace as the product of their ruthless and thorough dissemination of death.

 

If Trump follows these bombings with the Marines storming the beaches of Iran, I will agree with your shallow suggestion. Until then, just give it a rest with this utopian bullshit, please.

 

Whining like a baby about Trump putting targets on your buddies' backs is especially hilarious when the people he just fucked up had actual targets on the backs of your friends. Or have we become so weak and pathetic that we forget who our actual enemies are, the ones who have been killing us for years?

Edited yesterday at 01:48 PM by Lord Ratner

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Anon1 said:

I care that our President…… just put targets on the backs of all my buddies still in the shit hole called the middle east. 

One of the most ignorant things I’ve read on this forum.  Do you think your buddies didn’t already have targets on their backs?  They are surrounded by people who hate them and want them dead; people daily searching for opportunities to hurt them.  An intelligent use of limited violence makes enemies less confident, less capable, and therefore less likely to attack your buddies.

If we start nation building in Iran, I’ll be speaking up against POTUS.  However as of this moment, I think what he ordered will make the region safer.

Also, well played on the OPSEC!

Edited 23 hours ago by tac airlifter

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, Anon1 said:

 just put targets on the backs of all my buddies still in the shit hole called the middle east. 

 

[brickhistory]

Obama - $1.7 billion, including, literally, $400 million in palletized currencies in exchange for U.S. citizens held captive and nuclear behavioral change.

Biden - released $6 billion in frozen Iranian assets for more U.S. citizens held captive and nuclear behavioral change.

 

Trump:

A different kind of currency delivered for nuclear behavioral change. 

Which one is more effective and beneficial for U.S. interests?

[TreeA10]

This had been a lot like the oil filter commercial, "Pay me now or you can pay me later." Since 1979 with the takeover of the U.S. Embassy and holding diplomats hostage for 444 days, the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon killing 200+ U.S. marines plus some French troops, the exporting of IED expertise and materials into Iraq killing and maiming our troops, and funding Hezbollah and Hamas for decades maiming, killing, and kidnapping civilians, Iran has been hostile towards the U.S.  Iran has been in the FA mode for a long time and finally we have an administration that introduced them to the FO side of the equation.  This has been a long time in the making and the demonstrable Iranian track record is more than enough evidence that allowing them to have the most destructive bomb on the planet would be tragic for humanity.

[Sua Sponte]

Iran parliament voted to close the Strait of Hormuz.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-urges-china-dissuade-iran-closing-strait-hormuz-2025-06-22/

Edited 21 hours ago by Sua Sponte

[waveshaper]

10 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Obama - $1.7 billion, including, literally, $400 million in palletized currencies in exchange for U.S. citizens held captive and nuclear behavioral change.

Biden - released $6 billion in frozen Iranian assets for more U.S. citizens held captive and nuclear behavioral change.

 

Trump:

A different kind of currency delivered for nuclear behavioral change. 

Which one is more effective and beneficial for U.S. interests?

You can add this to your list:  Trump/Operation Midnight Hammer Price Tag:  GBU-57 MOP Cost - $3.5 million each/14 total dropped = $49 million. BGM-109 Tomahawk (Block 5) Cruise Missile with Conventional Warhead cost $2 million each/24 total launched = $48 Million. Total Cost = $97 million.

- Most of the other costs like fuel/manhours, etc, etc, etc can be characterized as funding for new real world training program/training range (Iran).

[Lord Ratner]

30 minutes ago, waveshaper said:

You can add this to your list:  Trump/Operation Midnight Hammer Price Tag:  GBU-57 MOP Cost - $3.5 million each/14 total dropped = $49 million. BGM-109 Tomahawk (Block 5) Cruise Missile with Conventional Warhead cost $2 million each/24 total launched = $48 Million. Total Cost = $97 million.

- Most of the other costs like fuel/manhours, etc, etc, etc can be characterized as funding for new real world training program/training range (Iran).

[Clark Griswold]

1 hour ago, waveshaper said:

You can add this to your list:  Trump/Operation Midnight Hammer Price Tag:  GBU-57 MOP Cost - $3.5 million each/14 total dropped = $49 million. BGM-109 Tomahawk (Block 5) Cruise Missile with Conventional Warhead cost $2 million each/24 total launched = $48 Million. Total Cost = $97 million.

- Most of the other costs like fuel/manhours, etc, etc, etc can be characterized as funding for new real world training program/training range (Iran).

Also a FAFO demonstration for other opponents far from our mainland, occasionally AirPower demonstrations real or simulated serve secondary purposes 

[Lawman]

Also a FAFO demonstration for other opponents far from our mainland, occasionally AirPower demonstrations real or simulated serve secondary purposes 

Yeah, somebody with a big brain tell me the dollar value of having your pacing threat opponent staring at all that tech and equipment it’s spent all this time amassing and wondering if it works.


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[raimius]

4 hours ago, Anon1 said:

I care that our President who ran on the platform of no new wars/peace and currently has that power/authority just put targets on the backs of all my buddies still in the shit hole called the middle east. 

Well, Iran has been organizing, training, and equipping proxy forces to attack US personnel for decades.  They also launched IRBMs at US forces a couple years back.  They had also been blaming us for Israeli strikes and threatening more action.  Not sure how much this will really increase the threat level... probably some, but not exactly 0 to 100.

Deciding when to use military force is also the job of the President (codified since the War Powers Act).

[Springer]

The real Iran?  Biff, don't get excited, it's not about the woman in the picture.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Springer

[HeloDude]

What happened to those on here who said “anything that weakens are enemy is a good thing”?…or does this only apply to Russia?

Edited 17 hours ago by HeloDude

[Boomer6]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-leader-claims-multiple-countries-prepped-provide-iran-nuclear-weapons-following-us-strikes

Welp, this is getting more interesting 

[ClearedHot]

Sadly it looks like it is going to spiral...Iranian Parliament approved the closure of the Straight of Hormuz. Additionally, the Iranian Nuke sites were not completely destroyed and they possibly moved the nuclear material. Finally, there are indicators the Iranians are planning an attack on U.S. bases in the region.

[tac airlifter]

7 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Sadly it looks like it is going to spiral...Iranian Parliament approved the closure of the Straight of Hormuz. Additionally, the Iranian Nuke sites were not completely destroyed and they possibly moved the nuclear material. Finally, there are indicators the Iranians are planning an attack on U.S. bases in the region.

Curious how Iranian response will be impacted by the Israeli HVI campaign against them.  It can't be easy adjust strategy, C2 forces & simultaneously worry about assassination.  

[ecugringo]

32 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Sadly it looks like it is going to spiral...Iranian Parliament approved the closure of the Straight of Hormuz. Additionally, the Iranian Nuke sites were not completely destroyed and they possibly moved the nuclear material. Finally, there are indicators the Iranians are planning an attack on U.S. bases in the region.

If they block Sunni oil nations….i see a coalition forming against the regime.

 

25% of the global supply flows through the straight

[BashiChuni]

34 minutes ago, ecugringo said:

If they block Sunni oil nations….i see a coalition forming against the regime.

 

25% of the global supply flows through the straight

Yeah and 45% of Chinese oil goes thru there as well

[Sua Sponte]

 

[Sua Sponte]

[Vito]

Springer,

 looks like a great place to live. 😳

[Clayton Bigsby]

Who picked the Op name?!?

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Curious how Iranian response will be impacted by the Israeli HVI campaign against them.  It can't be easy adjust strategy, C2 forces & simultaneously worry about assassination.  

Exactly. I expect a big part of the strategy has been "allowing" the political class in Iran to survive specifically so they can choose their own lives over retaliation. 

 

But they can't not make threats. That's not how international politics work. They are going to saber rattle, the real question is will they follow through. We'll know soon.

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-leader-claims-multiple-countries-prepped-provide-iran-nuclear-weapons-following-us-strikes

Welp, this is getting more interesting 

Lol. No. 

 

Maybe North Korea thinks about it. Maybe. Nobody else with nukes is giving them to Iran