Today in hypocrisy...

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Being purposely sent to the Rockies Mountains, in the upcoming winter months, after entering the U.S., by people knowing that support services are lacking in that area is inhumane. Those people crammed under a bridge in Del Rio did so by their own accord trying to enter the U.S., thus exposing themselves to any risks for doing so.

I personally think if people are wanting to immigrate to the U.S., and aren’t on a student or work visa, can wait outside the U.S. until their application is processed and they’re issued a visa. Instead of right and left using this as political fodder for votes, both Dems and GOP need to put pressure on the Biden Administration for immigration reform (i.e., keeping Title 42 in place until they figure it out).  

We tried that. Democrats called Trump's "remain in Mexico" policy racist. 

[GrndPndr]

Well, they do seem to have been invited up north...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#/media/File:Map_of_Sanctuary_Cities_and_Counties_in_the_United_States.svg

SF says they welcome folks from other places (to join the homeless?)

https://sfmayor.org/sanctuary-city

Then there's DC:

https://mayor.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-issues-statement-reaffirming-dc-sanctuary-city

Or Chicago:

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Office of New Americans/PDFs/SanctuaryCitiesFAQs.pdf

You can use this guide to help your own Sanctuary City:

https://www.afsc.org/blogs/media-uncovered/how-to-talk-about-sanctuary-cities

 

 

[SocialD]

31 minutes ago, GrndPndr said:

Well, they do seem to have been invited up north...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#/media/File:Map_of_Sanctuary_Cities_and_Counties_in_the_United_States.svg

 

 

Map could come in handy for those moving soon.  

[arg]

Seems like a self described sanctuary city would provide…..sanctuary?

[ClearedHot]

[Clark Griswold]

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[HeloDude]

On 8/17/2022 at 1:23 PM, nsplayr said:

@Pooteris freaking spot on.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the best way forward is always to handle the current situation correctly.

Ya know I’m frankly surprised conservatives are making these arguments that Trump should be potentially let off the hook in the same way they feel Hillary was because that would be “fair.” I always thought that conservatives agreed that “fair” meant not an equality of outcomes but by holding to a standard that gives an equality of opportunity.

The way I see it, both Hillary and potentially Trump mishandled classified, with various circumstances in each case. The standard is doing so is bad and there should be consequences.

The FBI declined to charge Hillary, although they did basically deep-6 her run at the presidency with the timing of their statements, and either way basically no one on any side thinks that case was handled correctly.

Ok, so that’s a “minus” when we’re shot/killing that engagement. FBI didn’t do their jobs no matter what you think of her guilt.

Does that mean when we’re evaluating the next shot any of that matters? No, it doesn’t. There is and should be a standard and we need to hold Trump to that. We’re not weeks away from an election where he’s on the ballot, he is a private citizen years out from any potential future office-seeking who was caught with classified at his house - handle that situation correctly.

It’s frankly bullshit to do anything different and call it “fairness” and that type of argument in other contexts is often made by leftists who are equally wrong when they do it.

I totally agree man…so what exactly happens to Biden?

[FourFans]

42 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

I totally agree man…so what exactly happens to Biden?

Haven't you heard?  No one F's with a Biden.

[skybert]

Do to him what they did to Hillary!

 

 Oh wait……

[JimNtexas]

It seems possible that the Dems + DOJ have decided that Biden needs to be dumped.

[dream big]

5 hours ago, JimNtexas said:

It seems possible that the Dems + DOJ have decided that Biden needs to be dumped.

As they join the rest of the country 

[ClearedHot]

On 8/17/2022 at 1:23 PM, nsplayr said:

@Pooteris freaking spot on.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the best way forward is always to handle the current situation correctly.

Ya know I’m frankly surprised conservatives are making these arguments that Trump should be potentially let off the hook in the same way they feel Hillary was because that would be “fair.” I always thought that conservatives agreed that “fair” meant not an equality of outcomes but by holding to a standard that gives an equality of opportunity.

The way I see it, both Hillary and potentially Trump mishandled classified, with various circumstances in each case. The standard is doing so is bad and there should be consequences.

The FBI declined to charge Hillary, although they did basically deep-6 her run at the presidency with the timing of their statements, and either way basically no one on any side thinks that case was handled correctly.

Ok, so that’s a “minus” when we’re shot/killing that engagement. FBI didn’t do their jobs no matter what you think of her guilt.

Does that mean when we’re evaluating the next shot any of that matters? No, it doesn’t. There is and should be a standard and we need to hold Trump to that. We’re not weeks away from an election where he’s on the ballot, he is a private citizen years out from any potential future office-seeking who was caught with classified at his house - handle that situation correctly.

It’s frankly bullshit to do anything different and call it “fairness” and that type of argument in other contexts is often made by leftists who are equally wrong when they do it.

[SocialD]

On 1/10/2023 at 8:30 PM, HeloDude said:

I totally agree man…so what exactly happens to Biden?

 

Well well well, how the turn tables!

[brabus]

How do we create a viable 3rd party. Not one that just siphons votes, one that actually wins elections. I wish I had that answer. 

[Guest nsplayr]

Biden’s classified docs issue should be handled the same as Trump’s, i.e. investigated by proper authorities. Not obstructed, no frivolous law suits, no ignoring subpoenas.

DOJ already appointed a special prosecutor. 🤷‍♂️ let the man cook and see what comes out.

@ClearedHot I mean, are you sitting around waiting for me to comment or something? I’m not Biden’s press secretary 😅

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by nsplayr

[Guest nsplayr]

7 minutes ago, brabus said:

How do we create a viable 3rd party. Not one that just siphons votes, one that actually wins elections. I wish I had that answer. 

Get rid of single-member districts and first past the post winners, that would help quite a bit.

RCV or preference voting with instant runoffs and multi-member districts, plus expand the size of the House, and get rid of the electoral college. I am favor of all those things even though I’m perfectly comfortable in one of the existing parties!

[ClearedHot]

9 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Biden’s classified docs issue should be handled the same as Trump’s, i.e. investigated by proper authorities. Not obstructed, no frivolous law suits, no ignoring subpoenas.

AGREED!  But guess what brother....it ain't!  I have yet to see a load of FBI agents search all of Biden's properties.  In fact, he was allowed to return to his home (a potential crime scene), AND THEY found MORE while he was there.  Why are his attorneys being allowed to conduct the search...yet ANOTHER double standard you don't want to admit.

9 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

DOJ already appointed a special prosecutor. 🤷‍♂️ let the man cook and see what comes out.

Let him cook, with Biden's attorneys doing the search....oh you mean cook the books, I get it.

9 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

@ClearedHot I mean, are you sitting around waiting for me to comment or something? I’m not Biden’s press secretary 😅

The way you spin things, you might want to give up the flying gig and ask Jean-Pierre to step aside. 😆

[Guest nsplayr]

11 hours ago, JimNtexas said:

It seems possible that the Dems + DOJ have decided that Biden needs to be dumped.

I love how everyone always thinks it’s some big coordinated DNC conspiracy lol. The DNC couldn’t conspiracy their way out if a wet paper bag.

[brabus]

Maybe multi-member districts, but the EC is critical to stop the coasts from running the entire country (which they basically are at the fed level) and fucking over everyone who doesn’t live in CA or NY.

[Guest nsplayr]

1 minute ago, ClearedHot said:

AGREED!  But guess what brother....it ain't!  I have yet to see a load of FBI agents search all of Biden's properties.  In fact, he was allowed to return to his home (a potential crime scene), AND THEY found MORE while he was there.  Why are his attorneys being allowed to conduct the search...yet ANOTHER double standard you don't want to admit.

Let him cook, with Biden's attorneys doing the search....oh you mean cook the books, I get it.

The way you spin things, you might want to give up the flying gig and ask Jean-Pierre to step aside. 😆

I am not affiliated with the Biden WH, I don’t get why you are yelling at me, that’s my point.

My long standing belief is these types of investigations need to be conducted fairly and that belief holds here.

[Lawman]

Biden’s classified docs issue should be handled the same as Trump’s, i.e. investigated by proper authorities. Not obstructed, no frivolous law suits, no ignoring subpoenas.
DOJ already appointed a special prosecutor. let the man cook and see what comes out.
[mention=1812]ClearedHot[/mention] I mean, are you sitting around waiting for me to comment or something? I’m not Biden’s press secretary
 

So given the fact he and his representative mouth pieces keeping finding new documents we should have the FBI thoroughly check all his properties for them right? In raid jackets?


The disparity between the two and the reaction of government agents is pretty damn stark. The National Archives at least knew and accounted for what was in Trumps office, his lawyers said they returned it all, and when it was discovered there was more they executed a raid on a secret service guarded residence. Meanwhile nobody has a clue Biden has this crap, nobody has bothered to ask, they discover it, they call it good…. And we just accept that? How is one set of A-hole lawyers allowed to call their search complete and the others has to be raided and double checked by the FBI? We literally have no accountable tracking for Biden’s documents, and they keep just magically finding more. Obviously
prudence and transparency would demand at best a search by government agencies not his personal lawyers.

Both these parties were negligent with the handling and storage of classified documents. Only one party was insinuated as to be doing something nefarious with them (selling them was a media narrative for a minute) while the other gets a free hand of oh no big deal it’s just a few pages of stuff that never should have been outside a secure environment…..


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[ClearedHot]

1 minute ago, nsplayr said:

I am not affiliated with the Biden WH, I don’t get why you are yelling at me, that’s my point.

My long standing belief is these types of investigations need to be conducted fairly and that belief holds here.

Do you think it is fair that Biden's attorney's should be the one doing the search?  Fair would be the FBI raiding Biden's home and offices period dot.

[Guest nsplayr]

7 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Do you think it is fair that Biden's attorney's should be the one doing the search?  Fair would be the FBI raiding Biden's home and offices period dot.

I’m not a lawyer but yea, that seems fair to at this point have the special prosecutor and whatever LEOs he chooses do the searches.

There is some nuance between voluntarily cooperating with the Archives and rechecking your docs for compliance vs a long-running pissing match compete with lawsuits and ignoring subpoenas…but at the end of the day yea, you probably want supervised or LEO-led searches and verification that all classified has been secured.

Honestly I’m not sure what that isn’t done with every doc and hard drive taken out of official storage locations when these guys leave office…

Edited January 15, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

1 minute ago, nsplayr said:

I’m not a lawyer but yea, that seems fair to at this point have the special prosecutor and whatever LEOs he chooses do the searches.

But that is not what is happening. 

1.  Biden's lawyers have been doing the searches for the past two months and apparently the lawyers doing the first two rounds of searches did not have a clearance. 

2.  When the AG knew about Trump's issues it was immediately leaked and released, but the AG sat on the Biden story for two MONTHS!  Even more ludicrous, he knew about Biden' situation the day he stepped to the microphone and appointed a Special Counsel to investigate Trump's classified.

How do you just hand-waive this away?

6 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Honestly I’m not sure what that isn’t done with every doc and hard drive taken out of official storage locations when these guys leave office…

Nuance is the word, I don't know when Trump's folks moved the classified to Mar Lago, if he was still President then legally it is a different situation as he was the de-classification authority.  Again, I think that is a shitty defense and ultimately wrong but as it relates to the law he has a push-back argument.  Regardless the records act would kick in and he should return everything.

Biden's situation is far worse "legally", he was not the declassification authority, he broke the same records act, he had TSI/SCI unguarded in his garage for years, exponentially worse in my opinion as we don't know who had access to his garage, or his office space that was paid for by the Chinese.

I am a fairness kind of guy, whatever you do, do it equally to both sides and for a great many years through multiple incidents of mishandled classified that simply has not happened, to say otherwise is pure tripe.

[Sua Sponte]

Didn't Trump's classified materials investigation start after he had left office, not while he was the sitting president?