The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, lloyd christmas said:

It sure is interesting listening to politicians in DC talk about the increase in violent crime going on across the country.  Biden’s tired and confused presser on the issue was really hard to watch.  We are going after rogue gun dealers…. I had no idea that the ATF or FBI had never gone after rogue gun dealers before.  

It certainly isn’t hard to understand or to predict this if you’re willing to be honest about it.  When Democrat politicians create a culture of crime via a defund the police movement, demonize law enforcement officers, do away with cash bail, incentivize single parenthood, decline to prosecute criminals, create martyrs/heroes out of life long violent thugs, etc you are going to see a sharp increase in crime.  And innocent people will suffer.  And our country will continue to fall apart.

I can’t imagine pairing the message and behavior of Democrat politicians with policies that would make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.  Scary stuff.  

People with the means to will just say F the city and move out to red states and more rural areas in general. Which is what we're already seeing happen. That's the one good thing to come out of this pandemic--it showed everyone how shitty the liberal policies that dominate our cities are. 
 

The only draws cities ever had in the first place were employment opportunities and amenities like nice bars/restaurants/shopping etc... but the Democrats just proved they'll shut that down if they feel like it. And then all you have left is an expensive, crowded, crime-riddled shithole. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Pooter

[SocialD]

2 hours ago, Pooter said:

People with the means to will just say F the city and move out to red states and more rural areas in general. Which is what we're already seeing happen. That's the one good thing to come out of this pandemic--it showed everyone how shitty the liberal policies that dominate our cities are. 
 

The only draws cities ever had in the first place were employment opportunities and amenities like nice bars/restaurants/shopping etc... but the Democrats just proved they'll shut that down if they feel like it. And then all you have left is an expensive, crowded, crime-riddled shithole. 

 

Big problem is these idiots come out here and think it's perfectly normal to pay stupid prices for real estate, because it's a "good deal," compared to the exorbitant prices they're used to in the city.   Then they start to vote in the same idiots they just fled.  Like a beaten wife who thinks their husband has really changed, they think it will be different.  Stay where you're at and don't fuck up our area too!  

[lloyd christmas]

6 hours ago, Pooter said:

People with the means to will just say F the city and move out to red states and more rural areas in general. Which is what we're already seeing happen. That's the one good thing to come out of this pandemic--it showed everyone how shitty the liberal policies that dominate our cities are. 
 

The only draws cities ever had in the first place were employment opportunities and amenities like nice bars/restaurants/shopping etc... but the Democrats just proved they'll shut that down if they feel like it. And then all you have left is an expensive, crowded, crime-riddled shithole. 

Yep.  I live in the DFW metroplex.  I see it all the time.  

Libs have ruined literally everything they’ve touched.  Please don’t California my Texas.  

[M2]

Interesting...
 

Quote

Lawmaker Wants to Grill Officers on Critical Race Theory Before Approving Promotions

Sen. Tom Cotton says he may start grilling general officers about their views on critical race theory before agreeing to promote them. 

The additional questioning would be a new step in the Arkansas Republican’s efforts to eradicate military training that concerns white privilege or the oppression of Black people. Cotton argues that teaching about these things undermines troop morale and unit cohesion. 

The Senate Armed Services Committee considers about 50,000 nominations each year for civilian and military officials, including all general or flag officers, even if they are not leading a major command that would require a confirmation hearing. Just last month, for example, the Air Force sent the Senate a batch of 113 Air National Guard officers who were being promoted. These slates of names are typically handled at the staff level and approved without fanfare. 

But Cotton wants to rethink that...

(Full article at title link)

 

[dream big]

On 7/1/2021 at 2:50 PM, M2 said:

Interesting...
 

Crenshaw has teamed up with him as well. While it is surely political posturing by Cotton, it is a nice display of checks and balances.  CRT has no place in our military.  Basic treating all people with respect might do. 

[Waingro]

9 hours ago, dream big said:

Crenshaw has teamed up with him as well. While it is surely political posturing by Cotton, it is a nice display of checks and balances.  CRT has no place in our military.  Basic treating all people with respect might do. 

Agreed, it doesn't belong. But I doubt Crenshaw or Cotton could accurately describe what CRT actually is. And it isn't in our military, or K-12 curriculum anywhere. This is a culture war Boogeyman with as much factual basis behind it as razor blades in Halloween candy, or the "War on Christmas." Media personalities everywhere are giving airtime to politicians trying to build capital based on CRT fear. 

[dream big]

29 minutes ago, Waingro said:

Agreed, it doesn't belong. But I doubt Crenshaw or Cotton could accurately describe what CRT actually is. And it isn't in our military, or K-12 curriculum anywhere. This is a culture war Boogeyman with as much factual basis behind it as razor blades in Halloween candy, or the "War on Christmas." Media personalities everywhere are giving airtime to politicians trying to build capital based on CRT fear. 

You very well could be right, maybe this is a big nothing burger that passes as the flavor of the year.  I wouldn’t want to take that chance though.  Our military and this country are too important for freedom to risk it with social experimentation. So, if CRT is common place in the military (Lt Col Lohmeier’s accounts lead us to believe it is), then it should be stomped out immediately. 

[brabus]

8 hours ago, Waingro said:

Agreed, it doesn't belong. But I doubt Crenshaw or Cotton could accurately describe what CRT actually is. And it isn't in our military, or K-12 curriculum anywhere. This is a culture war Boogeyman with as much factual basis behind it as razor blades in Halloween candy, or the "War on Christmas." Media personalities everywhere are giving airtime to politicians trying to build capital based on CRT fear. 

Either you’re incredibly wrong, or I could potentially see a POV that people have grossly misread and misapplied CRT in the education system (e.g. what they’re doing isn’t implementing CRT, but that doesn’t mean they’re not implementing horrific policies). Either way, what’s happening in public education is a disaster and people need to stand up and stop this bullshit. 

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

Either way, what’s happening in public education is a disaster and people need to stand up and stop this bullshit. 

You’re absolutely correct there. Of course, I couldn’t find a single example of a school district in the United States espousing CRT, but there seem to be plenty that still want to teach creationism, like in Arkansas:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/08/house-advances-bill-to-let-schools-teach/

The radical conservative agenda has no place in our public schools! 

[Waingro]

21 minutes ago, Prozac said:

You’re absolutely correct there. Of course, I couldn’t find a single example of a school district in the United States espousing CRT...

Careful, bringing up the fact that zero schools have ever espoused CRT is just one step away from asking them to define it! I'm pretty sure the Tucker talking points don't go that deep.

[dream big]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

You’re absolutely correct there. Of course, I couldn’t find a single example of a school district in the United States espousing CRT, but there seem to be plenty that still want to teach creationism, like in Arkansas:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/08/house-advances-bill-to-let-schools-teach/

The radical conservative agenda has no place in our public schools! 

“CRT has no place in our public schools”

“The radical conservative agenda has no place in our public schools”

Both statements can be simultaneously true you know.  

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, Prozac said:

You’re absolutely correct there. Of course, I couldn’t find a single example of a school district in the United States espousing CRT, but there seem to be plenty that still want to teach creationism, like in Arkansas:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/08/house-advances-bill-to-let-schools-teach/

The radical conservative agenda has no place in our public schools! 

I'd certainly argue that the 1619 Project is a form of CRT.

As for defining it: CRT is, at its core, the idea that race is the overriding factor in all of American society.  That race dictates where people live, the incomes that people have, the opportunities they can take advantage of, the laws that are passed and enforced.  It's the idea that race is the single most important factor in a person's life.

The Biden Administration has proposed giving more funding to schools that teach the 1619 project and Ibram X Kendi's work.  https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/04/19/2021-08068/proposed-priorities-american-history-and-civics-education

[Lord Ratner]

23 hours ago, Waingro said:

Agreed, it doesn't belong. But I doubt Crenshaw or Cotton could accurately describe what CRT actually is. And it isn't in our military, or K-12 curriculum anywhere. This is a culture war Boogeyman with as much factual basis behind it as razor blades in Halloween candy, or the "War on Christmas." Media personalities everywhere are giving airtime to politicians trying to build capital based on CRT fear. 

Why don't you describe it for us?

[Guardian]

JP Does a pretty good job.

[brabus]

18 hours ago, Prozac said:

You’re absolutely correct there. Of course, I couldn’t find a single example of a school district in the United States espousing CRT, but there seem to be plenty that still want to teach creationism, like in Arkansas:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/apr/08/house-advances-bill-to-let-schools-teach/

The radical conservative agenda has no place in our public schools! 

Our district is espousing CRT. So yeah, it’s out there. Probably in far more places than you think. 
 

The way I see this, teaching creationism in school, you name it…do what you think is best at home as a parent, but keep all of that out of public schools. The govt/public schools does not get to teach morals, core values, lens, etc…that’s the job of parents. The public schools can obviously can draw the line on academic cheating and breaking laws…but anything beyond that is now into personal morals, values, etc…not their place or purpose. 

[Prozac]

19 hours ago, brabus said:

Our district is espousing CRT. So yeah, it’s out there. Probably in far more places than you think. 
 

The way I see this, teaching creationism in school, you name it…do what you think is best at home as a parent, but keep all of that out of public schools. The govt/public schools does not get to teach morals, core values, lens, etc…that’s the job of parents. The public schools can obviously can draw the line on academic cheating and breaking laws…but anything beyond that is now into personal morals, values, etc…not their place or purpose. 

I’d be interested to see exactly what’s going into the curriculum, and at what grade levels, that constitutes CRT. The point I was attempting to make is that CRT is a somewhat nebulous, difficult to define concept that has been presented by the right wing media outrage machine to drive up viewership. Meanwhile, on the right, there is a concerted and explicit effort to present religious anti-science bullshit to our children. If Tucker Carlson is an intellectually honest human being (he is not), then where’s his outrage over this very real travesty? 

[brabus]

They flat out say, “yes, we are incorporating CRT into K-12 education.” And the facts back that claim up. To me it’s an apolitical topic…no type of morals/values/lens (beyond basic don’t-break-laws societal norms) belong in public education. If you want religion taught at school, send your kids to a religious private school, if you want CRT-driven curriculum, send your kids to the CRT private school, if you want kids to learn in a drum circle from a teacher named Flower send them to the hippie private school, etc. If you can’t afford those/don’t want to, then teach the values/morals you want to at home, and let the public school take care of non-politicized/agenda-driven math, science, history, and literacy. Pretty simple and apolitical concept…in theory.  

[BFM this]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

To me it’s an apolitical topic…no type of morals/values/lens (beyond basic don’t-break-laws societal norms) belong in public education. If you want religion taught at school, send your kids to a religious private school, if you want CRT-driven curriculum, send your kids to the CRT private school, if you want kids to learn in a drum circle from a teacher named Flower send them to the hippie private school, etc. 

I guess I will both agree, and at the same time respectfully disagree slightly with your position.  I do want a certain moral fiber woven into my kid’s school day, but I will also admit that it’s a very specific moral fiber that I’m referring to.  And I specifically moved (for a number of reasons, including, but not limited to) from VA to TX, and the atmosphere difference was better than I could have hoped for.  Citizenship, civics, civic duty and virtue, and yes, even general principles on how not to be an asshole.

I’ll also concede that it’s a slippery and perilous slope should the school board take a turn for the worse while the parents are asleep at the switch.  Southlake, TX, for example.

[Guardian]

Also what’s being taught needs to be grounded in fact or highly likely theory. Not obvious lies or even covert lies. CRT is an obvious lie and is hilarious. Because it is racist at its core and outside. Funny that advocates don’t see the lies or racism.

[lloyd christmas]

3 hours ago, Prozac said:

I’d be interested to see exactly what’s going into the curriculum, and at what grade levels, that constitutes CRT. The point I was attempting to make is that CRT is a somewhat nebulous, difficult to define concept that has been presented by the right wing media outrage machine to drive up viewership. Meanwhile, on the right, there is a concerted and explicit effort to present religious anti-science bullshit to our children. If Tucker Carlson is an intellectually honest human being (he is not), then where’s his outrage over this very real travesty? 

https://www.westernjournal.com/nations-largest-teachers-union-goes-critical-race-theory-vows-fight-anyone-opposed/
 

 

[Guardian]

Defund teachers unions! This is so freaking stupid. People are buying wholesale into lies.

[brabus]

1 hour ago, BFM this said:

I’ll also concede that it’s a slippery and perilous slope should the school board take a turn for the worse while the parents are asleep at the switch.  Southlake, TX, for example.

Totally with you, I was being more black/white to take as much ambiguity out as possible. To your specific point quoted above, I think you can replace Southlake, TX with an alarming amount of “insert-town, state.” Parents need to wake up and get involved.

[Prozac]

5 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

https://www.westernjournal.com/nations-largest-teachers-union-goes-critical-race-theory-vows-fight-anyone-opposed/
 

 

The resolution says that teachers will: “Publicly (through existing media) convey its support for the accurate and honest teaching of social studies topics, including truthful and age-appropriate accountings of unpleasant aspects of American history, such as slavery, and the oppression and discrimination of Indigenous, Black, Brown, and other peoples of color, as well as the continued impact this history has on our current society.”

 

Seems pretty reasonable to me. It also appears that CRT means different things to different people. I’d tend to agree that insistence on seeing the entirety of American history through the lens of race might be rather limiting and problematic. I have no problem whatsoever, however, with teaching American history with a “warts and all” mentality. 

[Guardian]

You really see no difference in what has been taught in our country and what crt is pushing?

You weren’t taught that there was slavery? Were you not taught about Native Americans? And what discrimination weren’t you taught that you are claiming we now need taught?

What warts weren’t you taught about?

I may be missing the gist of your post but I would like more specifics.

[BashiChuni]

Victim mentality is for losers

show me a winner throughout world history that has excelled by being a victim. I’ll wait

Edited July 6, 2021 by BashiChuni