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According to the whistleblower, at the end of its review, six of the seven members of the Team believed the intelligence and science were sufficient to make a low confidence assessment that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The seventh member of the Team, who also happened to be the most senior, was the lone officer to believe COVID-19 originated through zoonosis. The whistleblower further contends that to come to the eventual public determination of uncertainty, the other six members were given a significant monetary incentive to change their position.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2023-09/CIA Whistleblower on COVID origins 9.12.23.pdf

 

Not sure if this belongs in WTF thread or this one. 

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3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

God damn did this Covid narrative absolutely collapse. You Covid freaks are backpedaling so fast!

While ironically acknowledging my stupidity for bothering to engage you on this...your stupidity is tiresome.

When a person is infected by a SARS virus they have an immune response.  In a small number of cases that immune response has collateral impacts on the body.

When a person is vaccinated against a SARS virus they have [functionally] the same immune response. In a small number of cases that immune response has collateral impacts on the body.  Sound familiar? The difference being that they are not also under threat of a replicating virus that can overwhelm the body's ability to defend itself.

It's no surprise to thinking people that the same increase in risk of cardiac inflammation that comes with infection also comes with vaccination. It would be surprising if that was not the case given that, from the immune system's perspective, vaccination is indistinguishable from infection (with a few links in the response chain bypassed by mRNA).

The only question then is does the overall reduction in risk through vaccination outweigh that of exposing 'everyone' to the collateral immune response risk when a small portion of them may otherwise avoid ever being exposed to viral infection.  And the answer is yes...by orders of magnitude. Thankfully the people employed to come to these conclusions are typically not exceptionally vulnerable to tribal group-think conspiracy movements, and they base their conclusions on reality.

You may now return to wasting your life away by willfully sifting through all the wrong information in order to find the next trump-card that isn't a trump-card.

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The only question then is does the overall reduction in risk through vaccination outweigh that of exposing 'everyone' to the collateral immune response risk when a small portion of them may otherwise avoid ever being exposed to viral infection.

that was NOT the question during peak covid hysteria. the demand was you MUST take the vax REGARDLESS of any risk/reward calculation.

people were fired from jobs and lives were ruined due to your stupidity. a little humility is the right answer for you and your ilk, but like a fool you will double down.

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41 minutes ago, Mark1 said:

The only question then is does the overall reduction in risk through vaccination outweigh that of exposing 'everyone' to the collateral immune response risk when a small portion of them may otherwise avoid ever being exposed to viral infection.  And the answer is yes...by orders of magnitude. Thankfully the people employed to come to these conclusions are typically not exceptionally vulnerable to tribal group-think conspiracy movements, and they base their conclusions on reality.

The vaccine for COVID-19 does not stop transmission. This is not disputed at any level. It reduces it somewhat, but only if you are susceptible to infection in the first place, which teenagers and young adults are not. 

 

The concept of herd immunity never involved low-risk demographics increasing their exposure to negative outcomes to protect high-risk demographics. That's an insane proposition.

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The vaccine for COVID-19 does not stop transmission. This is not disputed at any level. It reduces it somewhat, but only if you are susceptible to infection in the first place, which teenagers and young adults are not. 
 
The concept of herd immunity never involved low-risk demographics increasing their exposure to negative outcomes to protect high-risk demographics. That's an insane proposition.


Its mind boggling after three years of having COVID in our life’s, that there are still people clinging to the vaccine as being beneficial. It was rushed to market by Big Pharma to make them BILLIONS. It wasn’t about saving anyone


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Its mind boggling after three years of having COVID in our life’s, that there are still people clinging to the vaccine as being beneficial. It was rushed to market by Big Pharma to make them BILLIONS. It wasn’t about saving anyone


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That's not true. Very at-risk groups, such as those over 70-80, had a very, very high chance of surviving the vaccine, and a not-great chance of surviving covid. Especially if fat. For them it was a no-brainer.

 

What's mind boggling to me is how effective the current corporatist-governmental establishment has "team-ified" so effectively that Americans are now seemingly incapable of seeing anything that doesn't completely inspire their political opposition.

 

The vaccine, especially for the alpha and Delta variants, absolutely reduced serious illness and death from covid-19. It was also rushed into production, had real and meaningful side effects for certain demographics, was misrepresented by the people and organizations that stood to profit from it most, and treated a disease that was almost certainly developed in a Chinese lab, and accidentally released.

 

Making the vaccine mandatory was immoral because it was new, unproven, and effective in a way that did not benefit from compulsory distribution. Not because it didn't do anything at all. 

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Not because it didn't do anything at all. 


I didn’t mean to imply it didn’t do anything at all. But it was rushed to market to make Big Pharma record breaking profits. When you own the government organization who’s supposed to provide oversight, your money based incentive mindset drives your actions. If you trust Pfizer, I’d watch Dopesick, or read the book. They care about one thing, money. The end users are unimportant, when they know they have immunity from vaccine injuries.


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10 hours ago, Mark1 said:

While ironically acknowledging my stupidity for bothering to engage you on this...your stupidity is tiresome.

When a person is infected by a SARS virus they have an immune response.  In a small number of cases that immune response has collateral impacts on the body.

When a person is vaccinated against a SARS virus they have [functionally] the same immune response. In a small number of cases that immune response has collateral impacts on the body.  Sound familiar? The difference being that they are not also under threat of a replicating virus that can overwhelm the body's ability to defend itself.

It's no surprise to thinking people that the same increase in risk of cardiac inflammation that comes with infection also comes with vaccination. It would be surprising if that was not the case given that, from the immune system's perspective, vaccination is indistinguishable from infection (with a few links in the response chain bypassed by mRNA).

The only question then is does the overall reduction in risk through vaccination outweigh that of exposing 'everyone' to the collateral immune response risk when a small portion of them may otherwise avoid ever being exposed to viral infection.  And the answer is yes...by orders of magnitude. Thankfully the people employed to come to these conclusions are typically not exceptionally vulnerable to tribal group-think conspiracy movements, and they base their conclusions on reality.

You may now return to wasting your life away by willfully sifting through all the wrong information in order to find the next trump-card that isn't a trump-card.

Most of what you said was true, buuuuuuuut it's also wholly irrelevant. Since the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, it's not anyone's business whether or not you decide to take it. This is a free country, and that means people get to make decisions for themselves, both good and bad.

Think about your logic for 2 seconds dude. The vaccine was forced on all of us, and yet everyone got exposed anyway. Read that last part over and over until it sinks in.

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58 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

Most of what you said was true, buuuuuuuut it's also wholly irrelevant. Since the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, it's not anyone's business whether or not you decide to take it. This is a free country, and that means people get to make decisions for themselves, both good and bad.

Think about your logic for 2 seconds dude. The vaccine was forced on all of us, and yet everyone got exposed anyway. Read that last part over and over until it sinks in.

And we hobbled our youngs' (i.e. the  future, the warfighters) hearts under forced injections for the old with co-morbidities in society....great long term play, very cheap in the long term? healthier plan?! - no, More lethal effective fighting force - no, More control - yes, less freedom - no. 

So, C19-vaxxers-at-large, was it worth the inoculation mandates? Was it right to subdue? To succumb to fear?

Whole thing was oppressive...

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12 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Meanwhile in TV land they’re still pushing this

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"You too can smile like your pooper is being impaled by a giant rod". - Pfizer

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Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back, yeah, you can blame it all on me
'Cause I was wrong, and I just can't live without you

Aren’t they inviting them back because it was congressionally mandated they invite them back? 

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