COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Buddy Spike]

2 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Sure. If you can show me that a cold causes 150k concurrent hospitalizations, I’ll agree with you.

Has Omnicron actually caused that (verified?)

I had it a week ago.  Everyone I know that's had it has had the same symptoms.  Two weeks earlier I had an upper respiratory infection that was exponentially worse.  

[Negatory]

5 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said:

Has Omnicron actually caused that (verified?)

I had it a week ago.  Everyone I know that's had it has had the same symptoms.  Two weeks earlier I had an upper respiratory infection that was exponentially worse.  

Yeah, it’s generally less severe than the already non-severe for our demographic delta. But it’s significantly more transmissible.

John’s Hopkins, the CDC, and the NYT are tracking hospitalizations in that ballpark. But maybe that’s not confirmed enough.

[Buddy Spike]

6 minutes ago, Negatory said:

Yeah, it’s generally less severe than the already non-severe for our demographic delta. But it’s significantly more transmissible.

John’s Hopkins, the CDC, and the NYT are tracking hospitalizations in that ballpark. But maybe that’s not confirmed enough.

It is, because it's a common cold.  It doesn't require near the hospitalizations as any other variant. This is how it burns itself out.  Time to stop this insanity.  

[TheNewGazmo]

Sure. If you can show me that a cold causes 150k concurrent hospitalizations, I’ll agree with you.

What classifies a hospitalization? ER visit? Overnight stay? Gunshot wound and COVID positive? Gallstones and COVID positive? Remember, hospitals are getting MONEY for COVID positive patients, putting people with COVID on ventilators (whether they really need them or not) and deaths with COVID, not necessary from COVID. Can't really believe all of the numbers we read because there is f@ckery going on. Anyone who denies that is in another world. I went to the ER years ago for the flu. Did I have to? Probably not, but I had a bad cough and wanted to get a chest x-ray. How many people are going to the hospital out of precausion?

[disgruntledemployee]

26 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said:

It's a cold.  

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.  He was going to visit his granny and decided to take a test, come to find out, negative. Just some sort of teenager, get outta school, cold.

(Last part is true. Know a person, got sick, thought rona, fam visit with olds coming up, got a test. Just a cold with cough. Shit, thought colds were extinct these days.)

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, Negatory said:

https://www.axios.com/cdc-omicron-death-delta-variant-covid-959f1e3a-b09c-4d31-820c-90071f8e7a4f.html
 

Keeping up with the data. Current studies are showing Omicron has a ~90% reduction in mortality, ~75% reduction in ICU admission, and ~50% reduction in hospitalization compared to previous variants. Would be nice if it was 90% across the board, because this will still overrun the hospital systems based on having 5-10x the cases. Oh well.

If you look at the countries that already went through Omicron, we are most likely peaking already. Delta followed the same parallel course.

 

Does not look like hospitals will be overrun. Especially when you consider the massive reduction in hospital stay length from omicron. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by Lord Ratner

[TheNewGazmo]

Yeah, it’s generally less severe than the already non-severe for our demographic delta. But it’s significantly more transmissible.
John’s Hopkins, the CDC, and the NYT are tracking hospitalizations in that ballpark. But maybe that’s not confirmed enough.

You've got nothing for me because you don't know the facts.  It's all on the internet.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/

And if you don't believe that, I went through airline training with a an older fellow who almost died from COVID and he explained exactly what's in the article above because he refused the ventilator.  His sister, a nurse, actually told him to refuse the ventilator in favor of a BiPAP machine w/O2 (and slept on his stomach) for 3 weeks in the hospital, which is most likely what kept him alive.  He had a pulse/ox of 82% when he got to the hospital. Doctors are trigger happy with the ventilators, again, because they get money for using them.  They don't get money for using a BiPAP machine.

[Buddy Spike]

43 minutes ago, Negatory said:

If you think the fact that we have multiple orders of magnitude more people on ventilators for respiratory distress than previous years is due largely to hospitals forcing otherwise healthy people to be intubated, then I’ve got nothing for you.

We can discuss data at face value, or we can be skeptical of literally everything. I’m not gonna engage with super conspiracy theories with almost no evidence.

Due to Omicron?  

Prove it.

It's an upper respiratory variant.  

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buddy Spike

[M2]

[MCO]

1 hour ago, Buddy Spike said:

It is, because it's a common cold.  It doesn't require near the hospitalizations as any other variant. This is how it burns itself out.  Time to stop this insanity.  

I agree with you that over the top reactions needing to stop and most of our countermeasures right now aren’t doing anything, are for show, and we should be accepting more risk, but the 2000 Americans that died yesterday from it would probably say it’s still more than a common cold even if it’s usually less severe.

we should be framing it for what it is, and making risk decisions that make sense. My two options now are it’s a common cold and any reaction is over the top, or it’s the Black Death and everyone will die if they don’t mask up with 7 masks. 
 

It can be more than a common cold and your argument can still be valid that we should be getting back to normal.

[Buddy Spike]

28 minutes ago, MCO said:

I agree with you that over the top reactions needing to stop and most of our countermeasures right now aren’t doing anything, are for show, and we should be accepting more risk, but the 2000 Americans that died yesterday from it would probably say it’s still more than a common cold even if it’s usually less severe.

we should be framing it for what it is, and making risk decisions that make sense. My two options now are it’s a common cold and any reaction is over the top, or it’s the Black Death and everyone will die if they don’t mask up with 7 masks. 
 

It can be more than a common cold and your argument can still be valid that we should be getting back to normal.

 

2000 Americans died with it or of it?  Which variant?

How many Americans died yesterday of other causes?

[Blue]

3 hours ago, Negatory said:

We can discuss data at face value, or we can be skeptical of literally everything. I’m not gonna engage with super conspiracy theories with almost no evidence.

After two years of all this, I think many people are indeed at the point of being "skeptical of literally everything."

Also, when it comes to Covid, yesterday's "conspiracy theory" has more than once become today's "accepted fact."

[Negatory]

Selection bias is rife. Yesterday’s  conspiracy theories have often been actually conspiracy theories. See how COVID was over in Apr 2020, then Aug 2020, then Apr 2021, then… or how hydroxychloriquine was a miracle drug… etc.

Im just posting data. You guys can get offended at data if you like, but we’re at the point of no more rational discourse if that’s the case.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Negatory

[MCO]

2 hours ago, Buddy Spike said:

 

2000 Americans died with it or of it?  Which variant?

How many Americans died yesterday of other causes?

How many Americans died yesterday of the common cold?

[Buddy Spike]

1 minute ago, MCO said:

How many Americans died yesterday of the common cold?

Great question.

No one cares because it's not politicized.  

[VMFA187]

1 hour ago, MCO said:

How many Americans died yesterday of the common cold?

How many Americans died yesterday *with* the common cold?

[MCO]

3 hours ago, Buddy Spike said:

Great question.

No one cares because it's not politicized.  

 

It is politicized. But you can’t say that the few thousand colds kill a year, or the 30,000 the flu kills a year is the same as COVID so far. It isn’t. That said, I mostly agree with you when it comes to overreaction of responses. Just be real about explaining the difference and the risk you are taking. I think the risk is low, much lower than the media makes it seem. I also think the risk is higher than the common cold. I don’t think those are two opposing views.

[glockenspiel]

17 hours ago, Negatory said:

 

If you think the fact that we have multiple orders of magnitude more people on ventilators for respiratory distress than previous years is due largely to hospitals forcing otherwise healthy people to be intubated, then I’ve got nothing for you.

 

Is it 10x,100x or 1000x? Just so we are on the same page here…

[ClearedHot]

If you still think Fauci is on the up and up I invite you to review this breakdown of his emails by a LIBERAL.  Ryan Grim is a well known liberal journalist who has for years focused on corruption.  He worked for the Huffpost and contributed to the Young Turks...hardly a conservative hack. 

 

[Buddy Spike]

13 hours ago, MCO said:

 

It is politicized. But you can’t say that the few thousand colds kill a year, or the 30,000 the flu kills a year is the same as COVID so far. It isn’t. That said, I mostly agree with you when it comes to overreaction of responses. Just be real about explaining the difference and the risk you are taking. I think the risk is low, much lower than the media makes it seem. I also think the risk is higher than the common cold. I don’t think those are two opposing views.

You are comparing "covid so far" to Omicron, which is a much less lethal (almost not at all) variant that lives in the upper respiratory system.  It is a common cold.  

[MCO]

7 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said:

You are comparing "covid so far" to Omicron, which is a much less lethal (almost not at all) variant that lives in the upper respiratory system.  It is a common cold.  

Maybe, but people have died of omicron. It’s possible you are proven right but it’s too early to tell how deadly omicron actually is other than it’s much less deadly. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of the higher death rates compared to other seasonal diseases.

[Buddy Spike]

1 minute ago, MCO said:

Maybe, but people have died of omicron. It’s possible you are proven right but it’s too early to tell how deadly omicron actually is other than it’s much less deadly. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of the higher death rates compared to other seasonal diseases.

How many?  What's the percentage per infections?

[Buddy Spike]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-covid-hospitalizations-up-about-33-deaths-up-about-40-over-past-week-cdc-2022-01-12/

[ClearedHot]

8 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said:

How many?  What's the percentage per infections?

91% less likely to kill those who get infected than the delta strain

Omicron Death Rate in South Africa Peaked at 15% of Delta Wave

[Buddy Spike]

Just now, ClearedHot said:

91% less likely to kill those who get infected than the delta strain

Omicron Death Rate in South Africa Peaked at 15% of Delta Wave

91% less deadly than a variant that had a 98%+ survival rate.