The Next President is...

[Negatory]

3 hours ago, Sim said:

Here ya go. But something tells me it will be filed as "no one will watch and find convincing except Trumpkins."

I mean, unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani doesn’t exactly have the highest credibility or like ability.  I listened to it, and I agree there could be some things, but unfortunately all of the evidence is entirely circumstantial. All of it.

Heres how GOP leadership actually feels about the allegations in each state. Unfortunately it’s not this one sided conspiracy theory:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/14/election-2020-gop-officials-swing-states-shoot-down-trump-fraud-claims/6271421002/

Also, still looking for someone to explain how the dems lost the senate when they committed so much coordinated fraud.

[Negatory]

Here's what happens when you try to actually look into the bogus lawsuits about dead voters and they actually aren't dead:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120

Also, I know two AD mil folks who legally voted absentee in Nevada. They have since been cited by the Trump campaign, by name, as having committed "criminal voter fraud":

https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2020/11/13/hundreds-of-military-absentee-ballots-are-likely-on-gops-list-of-alleged-criminal-voter-fraud-votes/

[Homestar]

Not surprised. Trump is throwing $hit at the wall and waiting to see what sticks. It’s sad to watch really. Almost like he doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand reality. 

[Guardian]

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

[Negatory]

6 minutes ago, Guardian said:

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

A shitshow.

[Guardian]

A shitshow.

Is that like a good fight with poop?

[Homestar]

36 minutes ago, Guardian said:

What happens in the small chance that the court cases hold up certifying the votes so that neither candidate gets 270?

Doesn’t it go to the senate in this case?

Edit: state delegations of the House of Reps vote for President and state delegations from the senate choose VP. 12th amendment or something. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Homestar

[Guardian]

The house chooses. Each state gets one vote and there are more red states than blue even though there are more blue reps. Happened twice in history. 1801 and 1825 I think

[uhhello]

13 minutes ago, Guardian said:

The house chooses. Each state gets one vote and there are more red states than blue even though there are more blue reps. Happened twice in history. 1801 and 1825 I think

Nope

https://ballotpedia.org/Who_is_the_president_if_election_results_are_unknown_by_January_20,_2021%3F_(2020)

[Guardian]

Scenario one in your link is what I described

[uhhello]

3 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Scenario one in your link is what I described

You're right.  I read it as majority vote in house.  Found another link that explained it.  

[Danger41]

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

[slackline]

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

Beyond awesome! Thanks for the share.


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[Sim]

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

•  
• EYEWITNESS saw 50 ballots fed many times into scanner
• EYEWITNESSES say Jan 1, 1900 was recorded in poll book as DOB for many not in book so they could count ballots
• EYEWITNESS saw 35 ballots counted even though not connected to voter record
• EYEWITNESS saw batch of ballots, 60% had SAME signature
• EYEWITNESS saw ballot batch scanned 5 times
• EYEWITNESS saw poll workers marking ballot with no mark for candidates
• EYEWITNESSES saw ballots counted with no signature or postmark
• • VOTER said deceased son was recorded as voting twice
  • EYEWITNESS saw provisional ballots placed in tabulation box
  • PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car
  • WITNESS told ballots received after election were being pre-dated, counted
  • FAILED software that caused error in Antrim County used in Wayne County
  • GOP challengers not readmitted but Dems admitted

  • GOP challengers forced to stay away while Dems were not

  • GOP challengers physically pushed from counting tables by officials
  • GOP challengers subjected to racial harassment
  • DEM challengers gave out packet: “Tactics to Distract GOP Challengers”

  • Election officials covered windows so challengers couldn’t observe counting

  • Election officials cheered when GOP challenger ejected
  • GOP challenges to suspect ballots ignored
  • Challengers barred from observing ballot duplication process”

   

[Guardian]

Beyond awesome! Thanks for the share.


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Bill Maher and SLACK likes is......probably a waste of time but I’ll giver a go later.

[Sim]

I think AP already called the winner. 🤣

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

This. This is the most coherent argument against the Left. Those of us who are left of center need to internalize this message. If you’re on the other side, don’t worry, you’ve got plenty of your own wackos to recon with (see pretty much all of Sim’s posts above). 

[Homestar]

38 minutes ago, Sim said:

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

•  
• EYEWITNESS saw 50 ballots fed many times into scanner
• EYEWITNESSES say Jan 1, 1900 was recorded in poll book as DOB for many not in book so they could count ballots
• EYEWITNESS saw 35 ballots counted even though not connected to voter record
• EYEWITNESS saw batch of ballots, 60% had SAME signature
• EYEWITNESS saw ballot batch scanned 5 times
• EYEWITNESS saw poll workers marking ballot with no mark for candidates
• EYEWITNESSES saw ballots counted with no signature or postmark
• • VOTER said deceased son was recorded as voting twice
  • EYEWITNESS saw provisional ballots placed in tabulation box
  • PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car
  • WITNESS told ballots received after election were being pre-dated, counted
  • FAILED software that caused error in Antrim County used in Wayne County
  • GOP challengers not readmitted but Dems admitted

  • GOP challengers forced to stay away while Dems were not

  • GOP challengers physically pushed from counting tables by officials
  • GOP challengers subjected to racial harassment
  • DEM challengers gave out packet: “Tactics to Distract GOP Challengers”

  • Election officials covered windows so challengers couldn’t observe counting

  • Election officials cheered when GOP challenger ejected
  • GOP challenges to suspect ballots ignored
  • Challengers barred from observing ballot duplication process”

   

ERMEGERD!!!!!! ThEY hAvE AFfIDaViTs!!!!!!!

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, Sim said:

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

•  
• EYEWITNESS saw 50 ballots fed many times into scanner
• EYEWITNESSES say Jan 1, 1900 was recorded in poll book as DOB for many not in book so they could count ballots
• EYEWITNESS saw 35 ballots counted even though not connected to voter record
• EYEWITNESS saw batch of ballots, 60% had SAME signature
• EYEWITNESS saw ballot batch scanned 5 times
• EYEWITNESS saw poll workers marking ballot with no mark for candidates
• EYEWITNESSES saw ballots counted with no signature or postmark
• • VOTER said deceased son was recorded as voting twice
  • EYEWITNESS saw provisional ballots placed in tabulation box
  • PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car
  • WITNESS told ballots received after election were being pre-dated, counted
  • FAILED software that caused error in Antrim County used in Wayne County
  • GOP challengers not readmitted but Dems admitted

  • GOP challengers forced to stay away while Dems were not

  • GOP challengers physically pushed from counting tables by officials
  • GOP challengers subjected to racial harassment
  • DEM challengers gave out packet: “Tactics to Distract GOP Challengers”

  • Election officials covered windows so challengers couldn’t observe counting

  • Election officials cheered when GOP challenger ejected
  • GOP challenges to suspect ballots ignored
  • Challengers barred from observing ballot duplication process”

   

How about the other counties, and other states?  Like also how after 25% it changes from "eyewitness" to...not that.  I'm sure that won't be a problem in court.

Also, just because it's in CAPS doesn't make it more official.  FYI.

[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I know it’s Bill Maher, but trust me you non-Dems (and probably Dems) will like this.

Damn, that was really good. It's why I only voted blue at Pres, Red almost everything else.  Though, I will say he doesn't have the read on that hockey player who bullied the kid. 

Quote

Miller and another teen-ager were charged with assault and violating the Ohio Safe Schools Act in February 2016, when they were accused of making Meyer-Crothers eat candy that had been placed in a urinal. Other accounts in a police report indicate the boys urinated on the candy before giving it to Meyer-Crothers.

Miller and the other teen then punched and pushed Meyer-Crothers, according to the police report obtained by The Republic. The report also says Miller lied to school officials about his involvement.

At the time, Meyer-Crothers had the mental ability of a 10-year-old, according to his mom.

There are additional reports he kept verbally abusing the kid after the court case, but I can't be bothered to find them now.  Sorry.

[Waingro]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1326634874988617729.html

 “We have 234 pages of sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury alleging election irregularities from just ONE county in Michigan ALLEGATIONS:

The all caps make it a certainty that a boomer wrote this. It looks even more embarrassing in light of the facts behind Michigan's ALLEGATIONS though:

"But a closer look at the affidavits showed that many did not allege any wrongdoing with ballots. Instead, they showed poll challengers complaining about other things: a loud public-address system, mean looks from poll workers, and a Democratic poll watcher who said “Go back to the suburbs, Karen.”

 

Some poll observers had become suspicious simply after seeing many ballots cast for Democrats — in Detroit, a heavily Democratic city where Biden won 94 percent of the vote. “I specifically noticed that every ballot I observed was cast for Joe Biden,” one observer wrote. The Trump campaign filed that as evidence in court.

 

In other cases, poll challengers raised issues with procedures that election workers say were normal. Some, for instance, noted that workers input voters’ birth dates as January 1, 1900. Election officials say that was a quirk of the computer system: It required workers to enter a voter’s birth date at a step when they did not have access to that information, so they were told to enter a placeholder.

 

So far, Trump and his allies have faced a judge three times in Michigan.

 

All three times, it went poorly.

 

In one case, the plaintiffs relied on testimony from a poll worker, who was relaying what she’d been told by an unidentified election worker.

 

Judge Cynthia Stephens said that was hearsay. Inadmissible. The lawyer tried to argue.

 

“ ‘I heard somebody else say something,’ ” Stephens said. “Tell me why that’s not hearsay. Come on, now.”

 

Stephens ruled against the plaintiffs.

 

A few days later, Judge Timothy M. Kenny heard a similar argument from another group of Republican plaintiffs. He asked how well the Republican poll-watchers understood the procedures they were watching.

 

The city had conducted a “walk-through” for Republican poll-challengers in late October, long before the counting began, to show how the absentee ballot counting procedure worked.

 

Had the plaintiff’s poll watchers been there, to learn about the process they were now objecting to?

 

No, the plaintiff’s lawyer said. They had not known about it.

 

“Plaintiff’s affiants did not have a full understanding of the [convention center] absentee ballot counting process,” Kenny wrote in an opinion. “However, sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the process and the City of Detroit. Plaintiff’s interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”

[Pooter]

You're gonna need a lot more affidavits from election worker randos to convince me that election fraud is the root cause of trump losing virtually every swing state up for grabs and the popular vote by 6-9 million. 
 

You can't take "eyewitness" anecdotes from one district and extrapolate that into a broader fraud narrative in an election where 150 million people voted. 

[Day Man]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

PASSENGERS dropped off more ballots than people in car

uhhh...is this illegal?

[drewpey]

Don't disagree with most of what Maher said.  Before the election I felt we were ready for a bigger swing to the left, but the election results say otherwise.  The democrats need to focus on tangible results for the working class American to continue to win.  There are purists that want the sky when it comes to progressive ideas, but I think the best we can do right now is hold the line and fight to keep regressives out of office.

I still think healthcare is the key.  It literally affects everyone, and political affiliation doesn't really matter when you are dyeing because you are broke.  Trump teased a healthcare plan for his entire presidency because the idea polls well across the board, but the concept is anathema to the republican ideals, so they couldn't come up with anything.

[Negatory]

Still looking for your response to the cognitive dissonance question of the hour:

Why did dems allow republicans to win the senate if they were controlling everything through massive manipulation? Could it be that Trump actually is unpopular? Maybe when you receive 5 million less popular votes than the other guy, you should lose?

 

And your whole argument still boils down to people's Presidential votes from Wyoming, North Dakota, and Alaska should count 2-3 times as much as someone from California, Florida, or Texas. That's the electoral college, a totally logical thing that definitely makes sense in the modern world.