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[brickhistory]

So, again, Obama offe'd an American and his son, however bad, on nothing more than his say-so.

Deporting an illegal seems much less drastic if designated a national threat.

Tell me again about precedent.

[arg]

Now we have to define "due process of law".

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, Banzai said:

Narrator: “In this forum, you can watch active and retired military officers who have sworn an oath to the constitution and American institutions pontificate that the 5th/14th amendments and decades of legal precedent around them are okay to be ignored if it’s in the interest of their political goals. Fascinating!”

 

“Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/426/67

“It is true that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/345/206

It’s not about supporting or not supporting MS-13 gang members - you guys are presenting an entirely false dilemma. It’s about supporting the constitutional right to due process.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

"We consider the underlying fallacy of the plaintiff’s argument to consist in the assumption that the enforced separation of the two races stamps the colored race with a badge of inferiority. If this be so, it is not by reason of anything found in the act, but solely because the colored race chooses to put that construction upon it… The argument also assumes that social prejudice may be overcome by legislation, and that equal rights cannot be secured except by an enforced commingling of the two races… If the civil and political rights of both races be equal, one cannot be inferior to the other civilly or politically. If one race be inferior to the other socially, the Constitution of the United States cannot put them upon the same plane."

 

Precedent changes. We've had several very good examples of that recently. I can only speak for myself, but I am not advocating the Trump administration violate supreme Court ruling. I am advocating that they get the bad rulings fixed... And they will be fixed. The law always has a funny way of conforming to reality.

 

 

[HeloDude]

Progressives are now pro-Constitution, unless it’s the 1A, 2A, 10A…

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, Banzai said:

It’s not about supporting or not supporting MS-13 gang members - you guys are presenting an entirely false dilemma. It’s about supporting the constitutional right to due process.

GMAFB, you are presenting the false dilemma: treat an unprecedented mass of illegal murderous gang members with the same deliberate protections of law provided citizens or we cannot maintain the constitution.  I reject your premise.

Is there any doubt how our founding fathers would've handled this situation?  They were actively driving out the natives & preventing additional British colonists from staying; it was obvious to those who wrote the constitution how/when "due process" applies and who is eligible.  Yet now we're arguing to obey the  constitution we have to do the opposite of what the authors intended?  

2 hours ago, Banzai said:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Go with your opinion on the mandatory Covid vaccine, forced closure of churches & arrests of people engaging in the free exercise of religion during that time, assault weapons bans, sham trials for J6, FISA court abuses....

[BashiChuni]

14 hours ago, Day Man said:

how do you know they're illegal?

uh lets start with the ones that were arrested crossing the border ILLEGALLY then released into the country. genius.

[SpeedOfHeat]

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Progressives are now pro-Constitution, unless it’s the 1A, 2A, 10A…

Conservatives are now pro-Constitution, unless their dear leader calls for “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”  lol

[HeloDude]

30 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Conservatives are now pro-Constitution, unless their dear leader calls for “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”  lol

So you’re now supporting any American being able to own whatever weapon they want and no background check required?  Trust me, I’m all for going full Libertarian (yes, the party and its platform) if that’s where we can go, but if not, let’s not pretend the leftists actually ever cared about the Constitution. 

[Lord Ratner]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

So you’re now supporting any American being able to own whatever weapon they want and no background check required?  Trust me, I’m all for going full Libertarian (yes, the party and its platform) if that’s where we can go, but if not, let’s not pretend the leftists actually ever cared about the Constitution. 

True, under a libertarian system we would refuse medical and educational services to the illegal immigrants, which would alleviate a good portion of the problem. 

 

I doubt that would appease the left 🤷🏻‍♂️

[ClearedHot]

15 hours ago, Day Man said:

how do you know they're illegal?

Kilmar Abrego Garcia admitted he came here illegally...what more do you need?

[blueingreen]

What confuses me is the people acting like the Trump administration would be crossing some kind of Rubicon if they went ahead with these expedited deportations to combat an unprecedent illegal immigration crisis anyway. I'm not advocating for it, but the guardrails of the Constitution have been ignored many, many times. Japanese internment, COINTELPRO, NSA mass surveillance, Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus, just to name a few.

Today, we view Japanese internment and similar actions as dark chapters in our history. However, there isn't a lot of public outcry over Lincoln's unconstitutional actions. In fact, he's widely considered to be a national hero. I think it scares a lot of people to acknowledge this kind of historical asymmetry because it implies that, on occasion, violating the law in pursuit of "the greater good" is sometimes excusable. And if you acknowledge that, the bigger question of "what constitutes the greater good?" arises (good luck answering that one!).

[kaputt]

The tit for tat is kind of funny to me. 
 

Neither side is upholding any sort of standard. The left is completely out to lunch with its wild progressivism and violent activism. And the Republican Party, with Trump, now somehow whole heartedly supports policies that would have incensed “conservatives” not all that long ago. Sweeping tariffs, large spending bills, now we want to pay people $5000 per baby they have?

To me, the Trump years will go down as one of the biggest wasted opportunities to have center right leadership in this country. 

 

[viper154]

If you are here illegally and are being deported but not charged, what due process is required? If you land somewhere and don’t have the correct visa you (hopefully) aren’t arrested and don’t get a trial. You get denied entry to the country and told to fly your plane back to where you came from. Same principle applies. Want to send em to prison, ya you need a trial. Send them back to where to they came from? Seeeya. 

This ain’t that hard. 

[blueingreen]

1 hour ago, kaputt said:

To me, the Trump years will go down as one of the biggest wasted opportunities to have center right leadership in this country. 

Just gonna piggy-back off this to start a little rant, don't mind me @kaputt. Many of Trump's trade / tariff policies certainly seem impulsive and short-sighted, I just don't have the economic expertise to propose an optimal alternative, and at a certain point you just need to make a leap of faith when electing a president and hope he surrounds himself with intelligent and talented people who can help steer the ship in the right direction. 

It's clear that what we've been doing for the past 30+ years isn't working; We've hollowed out our industrial capacity, offshored American jobs, and undercut domestic labor from both ends with H1B and illegal labor. We're also leaking tons of money in the form of foreign remittances. As for principled conservatism and "center-right leadership", what have they even accomplished in the 21st century? They sat idly by and conserved absolutely nothing while our country and culture was ravaged by radical progressivism. I was just listening to the oral arguments for the Supreme Court case involving LGBT books in classrooms this morning and couldn't help but think about how far down this slope we've slipped. First it was "Leave us gay folks alone and let us do what we please in the privacy of our bedroom," which seemed fair enough. Then it was "Bake the cake for us, you Christian bigot!" After that it became "Let my son compete against your daughter in the swim meet / wrestling tournament / etc. you transphobe!" And now we're at the point where the Supreme Court is going to decide if parents have the right to opt out of school lessons on drag queens. It seems like the LGBT people can't leave everyone else alone.

I'm simply a man of the Right, and the right-leaning politicians we've elected in the recent past haven't done enough to reject the fundamentally erroneous premises that the Left has foisted upon us during their cultural ascendancy and tenure in power. I reject the premise that my country is an economic zone for the world's tired masses to benefit from. I reject the premise that every man, woman, and child on this planet is an American waiting to be "documented". People aren't owed access to my home just because it's better than the shithole they came from. The Overton Window has shifted rightwards more in the past 6 months than in the 25 years preceding that, and it wasn't because of principled conservatives like Romney, Ryan, or the Bushes. 

Edited April 23 by blueingreen

[lloyd christmas]

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-reports-behind-closed-doors-pope-is-focused-sharp-and-energetic

[bfargin]

The Bee!!!
 

This one might have been too soon. He’s not even buried yet. I’m not sure if I should have laughed but couldn’t keep it in.

[SpeedOfHeat]

SpeedOfHeat said: Conservatives are now pro-Constitution, unless their dear leader calls for “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”  lol

9 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So you’re now supporting any American being able to own whatever weapon they want and no background check required?  Trust me, I’m all for going full Libertarian (yes, the party and its platform) if that’s where we can go, but if not, let’s not pretend the leftists actually ever cared about the Constitution. 

[Lord Ratner]

8 hours ago, blueingreen said:

Just gonna piggy-back off this to start a little rant, don't mind me @kaputt. Many of Trump's trade / tariff policies certainly seem impulsive and short-sighted, I just don't have the economic expertise to propose an optimal alternative, and at a certain point you just need to make a leap of faith when electing a president and hope he surrounds himself with intelligent and talented people who can help steer the ship in the right direction. 

It's clear that what we've been doing for the past 30+ years isn't working; We've hollowed out our industrial capacity, offshored American jobs, and undercut domestic labor from both ends with H1B and illegal labor. We're also leaking tons of money in the form of foreign remittances. As for principled conservatism and "center-right leadership", what have they even accomplished in the 21st century? They sat idly by and conserved absolutely nothing while our country and culture was ravaged by radical progressivism. I was just listening to the oral arguments for the Supreme Court case involving LGBT books in classrooms this morning and couldn't help but think about how far down this slope we've slipped. First it was "Leave us gay folks alone and let us do what we please in the privacy of our bedroom," which seemed fair enough. Then it was "Bake the cake for us, you Christian bigot!" After that it became "Let my son compete against your daughter in the swim meet / wrestling tournament / etc. you transphobe!" And now we're at the point where the Supreme Court is going to decide if parents have the right to opt out of school lessons on drag queens. It seems like the LGBT people can't leave everyone else alone.

I'm simply a man of the Right, and the right-leaning politicians we've elected in the recent past haven't done enough to reject the fundamentally erroneous premises that the Left has foisted upon us during their cultural ascendancy and tenure in power. I reject the premise that my country is an economic zone for the world's tired masses to benefit from. I reject the premise that every man, woman, and child on this planet is an American waiting to be "documented". People aren't owed access to my home just because it's better than the shithole they came from. The Overton Window has shifted rightwards more in the past 6 months than in the 25 years preceding that, and it wasn't because of principled conservatives like Romney, Ryan, or the Bushes. 

Fuckin' A.

[HeloDude]

9 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

 

SpeedOfHeat said: Conservatives are now pro-Constitution, unless their dear leader calls for “the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”  lol

Progressives like yourself have never been pro-Constitution, unless it supports their agenda.  Conservatives have also never been pro-Constitution either.  I’m not surprised you don’t understand 

[M2]

We are getting these HAF/A1 updates at work, they are a very entertaining way to start the morning!

EO: Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness
Synopsis: Prohibits expressing a gender identity divergent from an individual’s sex within military service. Prevents the use of invented and identification-based pronoun usage. Prohibit associated medical treatments. Provides that transgender individuals cannot satisfy the rigorous standards necessary for military service.
 
Key Info/Updates:
The Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs released “Additional Guidance on Treatment of Gender Dysphoria” (Atch 2a).

• Due to the preliminary injunction in Shilling v. United States, Military Treatment Facilities will provide gender dysphoria (GD) care to covered beneficiaries 19 years or older who have been diagnosed with GD.
• Under the Supplemental Health Care Program, service members can resume GD care, including hormone therapy and pre-surgical evaluations. 
• All previously approved and paused SHCP waivers are reinstated and affected service members should contact their providers to reschedule care. 
• Service members with paused or cancelled pre-approval SHCP requests should resubmit them.

The Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs released “Additional Guidance on Treatment of Gender Dysphoria in Minors” (Atch 2b).

• The DoD prohibits initiating or continuing puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones for individuals under the age of 19 years old who have been diagnosed with GD.
• Military medical treatment facility (MTF) providers who are currently treating affected minors must inform patients that puberty blockers must stop immediately, while cross-sex hormones can be stopped immediately or tapered. 
• MTF providers may prescribe reduced hormone dosages to facilitate tapering for up to 6-12 weeks, and extensions will require approval. 
• TRICARE formulary updates are simultaneously underway to revise prior authorization forms for cross-sex hormones to comply with the 13 Mar 2025 memorandum “Treatment of Gender Dysphoria in Minors”. 

[ClearedHot]

I don't agree with Trump on everything but it does appear he is trying to honor his core promises:

Egg prices are down - granted this was not really a function of Trump, had a lot more to do with Bird Flu but prices have fallen dramatically as egg producing flocks have rebounded.

Oil prices have also fallen - there is likely a sweet spot it should remain and we are very close.

Border crossings are WAY down (95%)

Inflation is easing and there is likely a lag as falling energy prices take a while to work through the system...next report will likely be very good.

He definitely failed on his promise to end the Ukraine War in 24 hours.

Interesting to see how the tariff issue is working out.  The market has snapped back this week, I didn't perfectly time the bottom but did reposition two weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

[Sua Sponte]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/strengthening-and-unleashing-americas-law-enforcement-to-pursue-criminals-and-protect-innocent-citizens/

Sec. 4.  Using National Security Assets for Law and Order.  (a)  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, shall increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement.
(b)  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall determine how military and national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime.

[brabus]

Honestly what you quoted made me go, “hmmm,” but after reading the entirety I’m all about 95% of it without hesitation. Like you though, I am skeptical of the obvious point you’re highlighting; the gov best tread very lightly. FWIW, my “5%” throw-shit-at-a-wall number is because I’m accounting for the overall theme of the message (I understand one could argue it’s literally more than 5%)

[Lawman]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/strengthening-and-unleashing-americas-law-enforcement-to-pursue-criminals-and-protect-innocent-citizens/
Sec. 4.  Using National Security Assets for Law and Order.  (a)  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, shall increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement.
(b)  Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall determine how military and national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime.

No please, try and oversell this.

How many times did Biden or Obama deploy guard and active duty troops to the border? How many more times than that did state governors deploy troops to shore up the problem of migration during those administrations?

We have the border mission, you know what it’s doing? Providing Grey Eagles to law enforcement who are trying to do something about cartel drug smuggling. God forbid we use our training hours to do that instead of bore holes in the sky and stare at the dirt in a restricted area.


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[Banzai]