The Next President is...

[Biff_T]

You can just make a vault in your closet.  That's where I keep all of the SKL's I kept forgetting to give back after loading the codes.  The classified documents I kept are hanging on display near my shadow box.  I sold a few to one of my Chinese friends because he pays good money for them.  

[GrndPndr]

Not to break the train of documents here, there's this from today.  The video (Published by the WH) is subtle, but scary:

https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/biden-mislabels-ukraine-as-aggressor-while-announcing-tanks-to-kyiv/

Edited January 25, 2023 by GrndPndr

[SocialD]

7 minutes ago, GrndPndr said:

Not to break the train of documents here, there's this from today.  The video (Published by the WH) is subtle, but scary:

https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/biden-mislabels-ukraine-as-aggressor-while-announcing-tanks-to-kyiv/

 

 

I bet every time he speaks on live TV, his Chief of Staff/Staffers hold their breath with their fingers crossed. 

[filthy_liar]

23 hours ago, Pooter said:

These goddamn clowns (hillary, trump, biden, and pence) along with all of their staffers should all be in jail as far as I'm concerned. Because that is exactly what would happen to any of us if we were found  sitting on a pile of classified at home. 
 

The processes don't need to be revamped. Our political leadership needs to be revamped. 
 

The process is actually super easy. Don't take ing classified to your house. If you can't manage that with your bloated staff of god-knows-how-many brown nosing aides you have no business running a country. 

Concur.

[FourFans]

12 hours ago, SocialD said:

 

 

I bet every time he speaks on live TV, his Chief of Staff/Staffers hold their breath with their fingers crossed. 

I'll bet every time he speaks on live TV, that sign language chick thinks it'll be her last day, and just GOES for it.

[filthy_liar]

On 1/24/2023 at 1:10 PM, nsplayr said:

And my argument is that supporting a government policy that bans abortion (or allows abortion) is not a critical aspect of being Catholic or Christian. Depending on your denomination and etc. you probably shouldn’t actually have an abortion yourself, but merely supporting a government policy on the subject one way or another is not the same thing. And the Pope has said as much WRT Catholics, case closed.

Yes, if you claimed to be Muslim and then said Mohammed isn’t a profit of God…ok well then you’re not really a Muslim. But super inside-baseball doctrine where there is a variety of opinion AND the head of the faith says it’s not critical…again, case closed.

Good grief.  These are two of the best paragraphs I've ever read that support the notion that religion is completely made up and anything goes.  Abortion is a pretty morality based topic.  To state that you could go either way on that and still be Christian...wow.  BTW...Catholics = Christians.  Protestants/Catholics are Christians just like Sunnis and Shi'ites are Islamic.

Here's a gem: "And the Pope has said as much WRT Catholics, case closed."  Doesn't having a human being on earth here today making such proclamations violate the first commandment?  Do you really base your moral compass on what some dude in the Vatican is spewing?  

Here's another one: "But super inside-baseball doctrine where there is a variety of opinion AND the head of the faith says it’s not critical…again, case closed."  First off, super inside baseball doctrine is obviously a farce.  Second, do you believe that kings and emperors and popes are divinely anointed?  The "head" of the faith?  Pray tell, who gave him that BS title?  I didn't.  He sure as heck isn't head of anything in my world. 

I struggle in 2023 to understand how Americans, who rejected the notion of the divinely appointed kings and emperors (and included a prohibition against the gov't awarding titles of nobility in our constitution), how do Americans recognize the pope?  He was awarded a title of nobility by cardinals.  And now you have people like yourself saying things like the pope said it, "case closed."

You are a very strange liberal.

[Guest nsplayr]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

Words...

You are a very strange liberal.

Look, your knowledge of religion in general seems low, as does your specific understanding of the Catholic church. Thanks for telling me that Protestants and Catholics are both Christians though.

I'm not seeing a ton of value in engaging with you on this anymore. Here's my debrief:

DFP: there's a lack of the baseline knowledge required to progress

IF: get back in the books

Overall: it must be Tuesday because this one's gonna be a taco, and you can try the ride again next time with a different IP. Good luck.

Edited January 28, 2023 by nsplayr

[filthy_liar]

That's about the answer i expected.  DFP?  IF?  From a nav turned UAV operator?  Yes, good luck to you also.

[filthy_liar]

On 1/23/2023 at 1:05 PM, nsplayr said:

and if you are not Catholic nor Christian nor religious at all

This is why I was reminding the nav that Catholicism is, in fact, Christianity.  It made a couple of more missteps in that regard in other posts.  No worries.  Just making sure that in spite of an expert Catholic's diatribe, we all understand the landscape.

[pawnman]

13 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

That's about the answer i expected.  DFP?  IF?  From a nav turned UAV operator?  Yes, good luck to you also.

You really add absolutely nothing to any conversation you engage in, eh?

[filthy_liar]

9 hours ago, pawnman said:

You really add absolutely nothing to any conversation you engage in, eh?

In here? Probably not.  Do you think that you do?

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, filthy_liar said:

In here? Probably not.  Do you think that you do?

On occasion. 

[Boomer6]

8 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

In here? Probably not.  Do you think that you do?

His most notable contributions were pushing toxic policies in relation to COVID. Although, he’s been shockingly absent in that thread as of late…

[ClearedHot]

Trump opens 2024 run, says he's 'more committed' than ever

[brabus]

And on top of that, Ronna got re-elected. The DNC is pure hammered dogshit of the highest caliber, and should be simple to crush. And yet, the RNC is embarrassingly incompetent and living in a fantasy world. The only hope is someone like Desantis or Paul wins the primary, but the GOP establishment is just as corrupt and corrosive as the Dem establishment, so won’t be surprised to watch them “take the competition out” like the Dems did with Tulsi. Fuck! I need a whiskey. 

[Tank]

40 minutes ago, brabus said:

And on top of that, Ronna got re-elected. The DNC is pure hammered dogshit of the highest caliber, and should be simple to crush. And yet, the RNC is embarrassingly incompetent and living in a fantasy world. The only hope is someone like Desantis or Paul wins the primary, but the GOP establishment is just as corrupt and corrosive as the Dem establishment, so won’t be surprised to watch them “take the competition out” like the Dems did with Tulsi. Fuck! I need a whiskey. 

My biggest concern is that when Trump doesn’t win the Rep primary that he decides to run as an Independent and then in turn splits the Rep ticket.  
 

This would almost guarantee the Dems to win the 2024 election…
 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Tank

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

My biggest concern is that when Trump doesn’t win the Rep primary that he decides to run as an Independent and then in turn splits the Rep ticket.  

This would almost guarantee the Dems to win the 2024 election…

Kinda like when Ross Perot kicked off the whole Clinton era back in the 90s. Never would have had an entire generation of bullshit without that guy. I liked him and have usually been a third-party/protest voter, but now I see the cost to such people. Without a different type of voting system in place, we're doomed to two candidates - especially with the way our politics currently operates.

[Guest nsplayr]

We absolutely should have preference or ranked-choice voting in every election nationwide. It takes a bit of additional voter education, but it enables more nuanced preferences of the electorate to be expressed.

[dream big]

40 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

We absolutely should have preference or ranked-choice voting in every election nationwide. It takes a bit of additional voter education, but it enables more nuanced preferences of the electorate to be expressed.

Couldn’t agree more! Is the moon Blue tonight? 

[Pooter]

On 1/29/2023 at 1:47 PM, nsplayr said:

We absolutely should have preference or ranked-choice voting in every election nationwide. It takes a bit of additional voter education, but it enables more nuanced preferences of the electorate to be expressed.

 

On 1/29/2023 at 11:09 AM, ViperMan said:

Kinda like when Ross Perot kicked off the whole Clinton era back in the 90s. Never would have had an entire generation of bullshit without that guy. I liked him and have usually been a third-party/protest voter, but now I see the cost to such people. Without a different type of voting system in place, we're doomed to two candidates - especially with the way our politics currently operates.

Interestingly, there are a bunch of countries that don't do ranked choice voting but do have multi-party systems (3+).  So it makes you wonder how that came about. I also wonder if 3+ party systems are maybe inherently unstable and over time trend toward 2 party systems as the power gets more consolidated.  The other piece to consider in America is that as the political parties siloed into their two camps, so did the media.  To the point that you had a huge media infrastructure on the left, and on the right, with very little in the middle.

I think a big step in the right direction would be campaign finance reform. Right now the money is so heavily concentrated in the two parties, it's impossible to mount a competitive campaign without party donor backing.  Even Perot, a billionaire who pulled the best independent popular vote numbers ever, barely made the double digit percentages.  

I so desperately want there to be a viable 3rd party, and I think it could arise organically out of the reasonable middle.  But.. I think its far more likely you'd get a viable 3rd party from a full blown schism on one side or the other.  And you can bet whichever party isn't undergoing the schism will have the upper hand for quite a while.  Both extremes of the political spectrum seem to have gone particularly insane these days with the hardcore trumpers on the right and the hardcore wokes on the left, so I feel like the time is ripe for a moderate right or moderate left camp to break off into the middle.

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

 

Interestingly, there are a bunch of countries that don't do ranked choice voting but do have multi-party systems (3+).  So it makes you wonder how that came about. I also wonder if 3+ party systems are maybe inherently unstable and over time trend toward 2 party systems as the power gets more consolidated.  The other piece to consider in America is that as the political parties siloed into their two camps, so did the media.  To the point that you had a huge media infrastructure on the left, and on the right, with very little in the middle.

I think a big step in the right direction would be campaign finance reform. Right now the money is so heavily concentrated in the two parties, it's impossible to mount a competitive campaign without party donor backing.  Even Perot, a billionaire who pulled the best independent popular vote numbers ever, barely made the double digit percentages.  

I so desperately want there to be a viable 3rd party, and I think it could arise organically out of the reasonable middle.  But.. I think its far more likely you'd get a viable 3rd party from a full blown schism on one side or the other.  And you can bet whichever party isn't undergoing the schism will have the upper hand for quite a while.  Both extremes of the political spectrum seem to have gone particularly insane these days with the hardcore trumpers on the right and the hardcore wokes on the left, so I feel like the time is ripe for a moderate right or moderate left camp to break off into the middle.

In most countries with multi party systems the parties are organized along a single issue. For example the Green party in Germany is solely focused on the environment. They will vote left or right of their chamber, doesn't matter, so matter as they vote for their environmental stances. What ends up happening is you still end up with two larger mega parties that tend to dominate most elections, however, they cannot obtain a quorum without the participation of the smaller single issue parties. So their party leaders approach the smaller party leaders and begin to negotiate stances to form coalitions. In this case, the CDU for instance, might say "hey vote with us on all these issues and we will guarantee these other issues important to you get brought to the floor." 

Its a completely different game and I'm not so sure better than what we have now. 

Edited January 31, 2023 by FLEA

[ClearedHot]

Retired Air Force intelligence officer had 'hundreds' of classified documents in his Florida home including Top Secret briefs on the NSA's capabilities, feds say

WTF?

Former Presidents, Vice Presidents, Senators and now LtCol Intel types taking TS/SCI home...seriously what are these idiots thinking?

[pawnman]

4 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Retired Air Force intelligence officer had 'hundreds' of classified documents in his Florida home including Top Secret briefs on the NSA's capabilities, feds say

WTF?

Former Presidents, Vice Presidents, Senators and now LtCol Intel types taking TS/SCI home...seriously what are these idiots thinking?

I'm sure they'll all be treated the same way. 

[ClearedHot]

CBS news now reporting the FBI DID search the Penn Biden Center in November of 2022.  Funny, that never made the news before the election, the White House mislead everyone and it is just now coming to light...

[filthy_liar]

On 1/29/2023 at 6:15 AM, ClearedHot said:

Trump opens 2024 run, says he's 'more committed' than ever

Here's what I'm worried about.  Back in 2016 my first question to the GOP was why are there so many candidates in the primary?  Jeb was the first on my hit list.  Is the GOP now a dynasty?  What is he doing on there?  Second one was Trump, because all I knew him from was from the tv show where he ended up saying "You're Fired" to some contestant and he was a liberal New Yorker.  I thought that was absurd.  And so did all of my conservative buddies.  I knew a neuro surgeon or one of the two senators running would get the nomination.  No worries.  Then the GOP started coming unhinged.  

Carson couldn't string together two sentences.  Cruz turned hostile (in the context of presidential debates) and Rubio devolved into personal attacks.  Jeb kinda fell into the "well, that was my dad and grandad that did that, not me" trap.  

So when Trump won, all of my fellow conservatives who just hours ago agreed that Trump was an idiot who should not be representing us suddenly put a cape on him and he was god's gift.  I'm worried that is about to happen again.  Including the 12 GOP primary candidates nonsense.