uhhello Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, tac airlifter said: I will be very interested to see if this policy is sustainable the next few years. Almost none of the kids starting fall 2023 freshman year of college with my son are vaccinated. As colleges are rapidly dropping their mandates, the incentive for a fit 18-year-old in peak shape to take something which provides zero protection and potentially damages his heart forever just isn’t there. This policy reduces the pool of available candidates, which ultimately is detrimental to national security Not sustainable. What is considered vaccinated now? I got the first two shots when they came out but nothing since? Am I vaccinated?
pawnman Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, uhhello said: Not sustainable. What is considered vaccinated now? I got the first two shots when they came out but nothing since? Am I vaccinated? According to DoD policy, yes. Do you guys even read the policies before you bitch about them?
Guardian Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 According to DoD policy, yes. Do you guys even read the policies before you bitch about them?How would that be any fun? Psssht. Read the policies BEFORE bitching. You crazy. I like you but you crazy.
uhhello Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, pawnman said: According to DoD policy, yes. Do you guys even read the policies before you bitch about them? I'm not in the military anymore and I didn't think I was "bitching".
tac airlifter Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 53 minutes ago, pawnman said: According to DoD policy, yes. Do you guys even read the policies before you bitch about them? 56 minutes ago, uhhello said: Not sustainable. What is considered vaccinated now? I got the first two shots when they came out but nothing since? Am I vaccinated? Having the original shots (or single J&J) is considered fully vaccinated. Boosters remain under EUA and are not required per DOD policy. However it gets weird when it comes to deployments, because some countries have boosters or a shot within the past 180 days as entry requirements, which turns into unenforceable job requirements. I have a lot of visibility on this in my current role; suffice to say we are turning ourselves in knots for something that is useless. 5
ClearedHot Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 12 hours ago, pawnman said: According to DoD policy, yes. Do you guys even read the policies before you bitch about them? Two points of order...the policy shifts like the wind and it not being enforced uniformly. POTUS stated in an interview "the pandemic is over." That moment should have been the end of any experimental vaccine mandate, yet it continues. Nearly all religious exemptions have disapproved and thousands are still being separated including the Coast Guard rescue swimmer Biden personally called to thank him for his efforts and service. Also, civilian DAF employees have a different "policy" everyday. At Warner Robins for example DAF employees who were threatened with termination now face a different circumstance depending on which squadron they are in. In one squadron vaccinated are treated normally, face no testing and are allowed to go TDY with no restrictions. In other squadrons on the same base, unvaccinated face continued testing (despite guidance that says follow local community conditions), and recently had all TDYs not only cancelled but individuals were threatened and counseled they would be PROSECUTED for wasting government resources. 2 2
SocialD Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, pawnman said: Sure, you could probably seek a waiver, but that's all time and effort you don't want to spend when you're scrambling to rapidly deploy assets across the globe. If they need us there bad enough, I'm sure "special waiver," will miraculously appear at record pace... 14 hours ago, tac airlifter said: I will be very interested to see if this policy is sustainable the next few years. Almost none of the kids starting fall 2023 freshman year of college with my son are vaccinated. As colleges are rapidly dropping their mandates, the incentive for a fit 18-year-old in peak shape to take something which provides zero protection and potentially damages his heart forever just isn’t there. This policy reduces the pool of available candidates, which ultimately is detrimental to national security My nephew graduated high school last year and most of the kids in his class have not been vaxed, nor is there any reason for them to be vaxed (especially since the pandemic is "over"). They're certainly not the only ones, so it will be interested to see how if the "policy of the week" stands the test of the time. Either way, the DOD is wasting a lot of man-hours and money on this bullshit, not to mention forcing out what are otherwise fine additions to the service (ref: rescue swimmer above). Edited October 9, 2022 by SocialD
pawnman Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: Two points of order...the policy shifts like the wind and it not being enforced uniformly. POTUS stated in an interview "the pandemic is over." That moment should have been the end of any experimental vaccine mandate, yet it continues. Nearly all religious exemptions have disapproved and thousands are still being separated including the Coast Guard rescue swimmer Biden personally called to thank him for his efforts and service. Also, civilian DAF employees have a different "policy" everyday. At Warner Robins for example DAF employees who were threatened with termination now face a different circumstance depending on which squadron they are in. In one squadron vaccinated are treated normally, face no testing and are allowed to go TDY with no restrictions. In other squadrons on the same base, unvaccinated face continued testing (despite guidance that says follow local community conditions), and recently had all TDYs not only cancelled but individuals were threatened and counseled they would be PROSECUTED for wasting government resources. Imagine thinking every off-hand comment from POTUS (especially our current POTUS) is the same as official DoD guidance. And only the experimental vaccines...so the fully-approved ones would be good to go? Turns out Pfizer has one...
ClearedHot Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, pawnman said: Imagine thinking every off-hand comment from POTUS (especially our current POTUS) is the same as official DoD guidance. And only the experimental vaccines...so the fully-approved ones would be good to go? Turns out Pfizer has one... The COMMANDER IN CHIEF saying the Pandemic in a focused interview with 60 minutes is over is HARDLY an off-hand comment. He was specifically asked if it was over, it wasn't one of his rambling musings about Corn Pop or being raised Puerto Rican. Please don't spin and back track like KJP trying to clean up his mess. I sincerely hate it when EITHER side does that from the podium. Normally I would say if it is a fully tested and vetted vaccine and there is a true military readiness need then service members should be obligated (as long as religious exemptions are truly processed rather than given a blanket no, but that is another topic). In this case the Pfizer vaccine received EUA, now 19 months later they "say" it has been thoroughly tested. I have NEVER been a conspiracy theorist and I want to believe in and trust my government, but right now I simply do not. We have seen lies, obfuscation and deceit through the pandemic and I don't have any faith in Fauci and the gang. He refuses to tell us if anyone on the approval committee is receiving royalty payments from the vaccine companies but I am to believe a brand new type of vaccine (mRNA), is good to go? I am sorry there are still too many questions. 3
Blue Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: In other squadrons on the same base, unvaccinated face continued testing (despite guidance that says follow local community conditions), and recently had all TDYs not only cancelled but individuals were threatened and counseled they would be PROSECUTED for wasting government resources. If some squadron cc has put this kind of guidance down on paper / e-mail, they should be named and shamed on social media. Here, or the Air Force amn/nco/snco facebook page, or elsewhere.
ClearedHot Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, Blue said: If some squadron cc has put this kind of guidance down on paper / e-mail, they should be named and shamed on social media. Here, or the Air Force amn/nco/snco facebook page, or elsewhere. I know for certain legal action is underway but will likely take years to adjudicate under the EEO process. I can tell you the Warner Robins folks that take care of SOF platforms have a completely different and VERY restrictive set of directives that is completely out of alignment with the folks that work helicopters and C-5 at Warner Robins.
pawnman Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: The COMMANDER IN CHIEF saying the Pandemic in a focused interview with 60 minutes is over is HARDLY an off-hand comment. He was specifically asked if it was over, it wasn't one of his rambling musings about Corn Pop or being raised Puerto Rican. Please don't spin and back track like KJP trying to clean up his mess. I sincerely hate it when EITHER side does that from the podium. Normally I would say if it is a fully tested and vetted vaccine and there is a true military readiness need then service members should be obligated (as long as religious exemptions are truly processed rather than given a blanket no, but that is another topic). In this case the Pfizer vaccine received EUA, now 19 months later they "say" it has been thoroughly tested. I have NEVER been a conspiracy theorist and I want to believe in and trust my government, but right now I simply do not. We have seen lies, obfuscation and deceit through the pandemic and I don't have any faith in Fauci and the gang. He refuses to tell us if anyone on the approval committee is receiving royalty payments from the vaccine companies but I am to believe a brand new type of vaccine (mRNA), is good to go? I am sorry there are still too many questions. So, do you have the same suspicion for every new drug on the market?
ClearedHot Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, pawnman said: So, do you have the same suspicion for every new drug on the market? Only the ones the government tries to mandate that I inject into my body. 1 1 1
Blue Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, pawnman said: Imagine thinking every off-hand comment from POTUS (especially our current POTUS) is the same as official DoD guidance. 45 minutes ago, pawnman said: So, do you have the same suspicion for every new drug on the market? So, question the Commander in Chief, but don't question Big Pharma. Does that about cover it? Aren't you involved in AFROTC in some fashion? I can only imagine what kind of quality guidance you're providing to those cadets......... 1 1
MCO Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) On 10/8/2022 at 9:58 AM, Boomer6 said: I guess. I’m pretty indifferent about the vax but some of y’all are just as bad attacking the vax as your meme about people defending it. Edited October 9, 2022 by MCO 1 2
General Chang Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 6:14 PM, Lord Ratner said: Here's an attack, if you wish to interpret it as such. 90% of your posts make you sound like a moron or a Karen. You are a detriment to any cause you support, which annoys me because I agree with most of your underlying points. But you're the shittiest spokesperson imaginable. It's to the point I wouldn't be half surprised if you were actually Donald Trump's secret baseops account. Hey Ratner, would you prefer I post under this account of mine instead?? 1 1
Guardian Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 Hey Ratner, would you prefer I post under this account of mine instead??The General is back?!?!
Lord Ratner Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, General Chang said: Hey Ratner, would you prefer I post under this account of mine instead?? I have awoken him! I am chosen! Blessed be thy name! Chang is risen! The best troll ever. If Bashi was your next act, you lost your touch. But I do respect the dedication 2 1
Lord Ratner Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, General Chang said: Hey Ratner, would you prefer I post under this account of mine instead?? And let me tell you, of all the things I expected to see drunk in Bucharest, the return of Chang was not on my bingo card. Edited October 10, 2022 by Lord Ratner 2 3 1
Sua Sponte Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Two points of order...the policy shifts like the wind and it not being enforced uniformly. POTUS stated in an interview "the pandemic is over." That moment should have been the end of any experimental vaccine mandate, yet it continues. Nearly all religious exemptions have disapproved and thousands are still being separated including the Coast Guard rescue swimmer Biden personally called to thank him for his efforts and service. Also, civilian DAF employees have a different "policy" everyday. At Warner Robins for example DAF employees who were threatened with termination now face a different circumstance depending on which squadron they are in. In one squadron vaccinated are treated normally, face no testing and are allowed to go TDY with no restrictions. In other squadrons on the same base, unvaccinated face continued testing (despite guidance that says follow local community conditions), and recently had all TDYs not only cancelled but individuals were threatened and counseled they would be PROSECUTED for wasting government resources. I would tell them they can talk to my counsel when they start throwing around legal threat. That threat would quickly be dismissed when they figured out I had counsel. Since they’re not in the military idiot JAGs wouldn’t be prosecuting them and a US Attorney wouldn’t waste their time with something like that. Edited October 9, 2022 by Sua Sponte
pawnman Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Blue said: So, question the Commander in Chief, but don't question Big Pharma. Does that about cover it? Aren't you involved in AFROTC in some fashion? I can only imagine what kind of quality guidance you're providing to those cadets......... You're questioning big pharma AND the FDA. Which makes me ask again... is it only the covid vaccines you're suspicious of, or do you do a deep dive on every person who ever had a reaction to ibuprofen when the flight doc gives you Motrin? And I'm providing the guidance laid out by SECDEF...get vaccinated, or get out of the program. 1
brabus Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, pawnman said: is it only the covid vaccines you're suspicious of, Honestly after the gross negligence fuckery displayed over the last couple years, no, covid vax is not the end of my suspicions and questions. Adapt to new information and change your approach, or keep your head shoved up your happy ass and continue trucking towards the proverbial cliff. 2
Lawman Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 You're questioning big pharma AND the FDA. Which makes me ask again... is it only the covid vaccines you're suspicious of, or do you do a deep dive on every person who ever had a reaction to ibuprofen when the flight doc gives you Motrin? And I'm providing the guidance laid out by SECDEF...get vaccinated, or get out of the program. Really?….Given what we know about the first series Anthrax vaccines which were never FDA approved… or the malaria meds that caused brain damage… The fact the military was a major contributor to the opioid epidemic with how it was handed out as the simple solution.You realize that the Go pill used to just be straight Aderol right? They changed the cocktail after the understanding of what Dex did to you expanded. You wanna go back a few decades ago you’ll find plenty of hindsight to justify some reservation that suddenly today the people at the department of no long lasting responsibility might just be phoning in another one. ****pauses to take a sip from the tap in housing *****We’ve got a pretty decent set of historical lessons learned on why “shut up and take this pill” shouldn’t be the go to for a disease that had prior to the vaccine literally led to the death of tens of service members. We didn’t force our people to get the vax to protect them. We did it because we can’t move our people freely through global commitments with a whole host of countries requiring it as part of the access requirements. If leadership could come out and say that it would go a long way to actually making us believe they had our interest in their mind when they made the decision to force it. Instead it’s the typical “because I said so” justification, because science.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 5
Clark Griswold Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Lawman said: . If leadership could come out and say that it would go a long way to actually making us believe they had our interest in their mind when they made the decision to force it. Instead it’s the typical “because I said so” justification, because science. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No fucking shit and concur....
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