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And it’s Panton blue, how unsurprising!

If the Dems want a female, they could always go with this guy.

Uh huh. And any Democrat can come up with 69 reasons each why DeSantis, Scott, or Haley is “unelectable”. The constant barrage of “The other party will wither on the vine! Total victory will be ours soon! Republicans (or Democrats) forever! Yaaayyyy!” is dumb. Everyone on all sides needs to stop buying into it. Here’s a prediction for you: Republicans will take majorities in congress tomorrow. After a few years, people will realize Rs are screwing them just as bad as the Ds were and there’ll be a “blue wave”. Wash, rinse, repeat. The sooner we stop acting like nine year olds & figure our the other side isn’t going away & that this isn’t a zero sum game, the better off we’ll all be. Accepting that the other side has it’s own valid positions & figuring out where we can work together is our only option for not just success, but survival.

Those responsible for destroying our economy, not to mention putting lives at risk (New York/nursing homes) because of overreaching COVID policies, should never be in a position where they can do this again. Unfortunately this largely has to be done in the voting booths. I wish this would apply to the spineless commanders in the military all the way up to the SecDef but that will never happen. If you deployed to the Died or anywhere else during COVID you know what an epic shit show that was. Blatant malpractice from people who clearly should never be in a position of power. This country is the last bastion of valuing freedom over collectivism and that consistently seems to dwindle away.

Generally agree with Prozac above. Though currently the dem party is way further off the rails than the GOP; they’re actions, policies, and words are not defensible in any rational way. But to Prozac’s point, in no way does that mean it couldn’t be the GOP way off the rails in X years. The zero sum game ideology is crushing us.

Just train that the RCS is a small as Putin’s dick and if it turns out to be the size of Gorbachev’s birthmark, all the better.

Great, ya'll referenced that ridiculous monetary theory three times, thereby summoning Random Guy. Stand by for inane drivel...

Whaaa? Dude, you’re overthinking things. If the party decides Biden is a liability, they will simply nominate someone else in ‘24. Hopefully they can convince him to simply bow out a’ la Johnson 1968. If not, the fight within the party will be interesting & likely hand the election to the Republican candidate. I think it’s pretty likely at this point he bows out, but a lot can change in 2 years and who knows what the political playing field will look like. If you’re thinking Joe leaves before 2024, I’d say that’s highly unlikely but if he does, Kamala takes the torch for a few months & the same thing happens: she is either talked into bowing out of the race, or the party gets in a fight nominating somebody else. Ideally, for the country, I hope Joe decides to get out of the way sooner rather than later so the Dems can identify a viable candidate (Klobuchar? Buttigieg? Whitmer?) & run a coherent campaign. I also hope the Republicans can put forward someone other than Trump. I’d really like to vote FOR someone in 24 rather than against the worst of two bad options.

There’s been several statements recently from those on the wrong side of history that go something like, “let’s just all move on and let bygones be bygones, we only did/said things based on our understanding at the time. Let’s just forget about it all!” Yeah, fuck you. I will not forget, and I hope everyone else doesn’t either. If you demonized others via words (or worse, actions) who called it correctly, but weren’t in line with your thinking at the time - you don’t get a pass because you are still a huge POS. This does not apply to those who remained respectful and maintained human decency despite differing viewpoints.

Danger, they cannot do that. It is illegal and will be used against them if it goes to court.

Did you mean to post that? 🤣

I think we agree in principal, but many of us are only too happy to wear blinders. Republicans nominated and then elected as President of the United States an individual who as late as 2015 was considered an extreme outlier and frankly, a joke. They have Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Lauren Boebert in congress, both complete whackos. There’s a good chance they’ll elect a flat earther, abortion slinging, hit in the head way too many times, former running back to congress tomorrow. Some of the most extreme voices in media today are on the right (see: Alex Jones). I’m not denying that there are radical libs, but suggesting that one side is better than the other misses the point entirely. We’re all too quick to gloss over our own warts so we can demonize the other side.

The problem is people are subscribing to a party and not to an ideology that belongs to themselves personally. The parties will always adjust ideology. They are not stagnant. Political parties are political organizations, and like all political organizations their singular motivation is the conglomeration of power--in this sense, by subscribing the largest electorate possible to attain their ends. What this means is, with any political issue, as soon as the party's platform on the issue becomes unpopular, they will move their platform into a position it becomes popular again. We as Americans, will work together better if we recognize that and instead of identifying as Republicans or Democrats, identify our own values. I have no problem saying I'm pro-life, pro-gun but also think we need a more robust social welfare system to help people in the trenches and some comprehensive criminal justice reform. These things make me incredibly unpopular on both sides and I don't care, because I have my own values and my own morals and I'm going to advocate those, I'm not going to advocate a party. But far too often we see people who subscribe to their party and it becomes an "us versus them" mindset. As the party's position changes their position changes as well because its not about values anymore, its about winning and losing and supporting your team.

Find me any politician anywhere without baggage and skeletons. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gavin in it in two years. He's got charisma and tactical prowess...though he does suffer a terrible track record. It all depends on how the next two years shake out after the upset over the cheating/election denial ends post 2022 elections.

When you say viable… Mayor Pete took two months off of a cabinet position for baby leave when there was a supply chain crisis. A crisis well within his wheelhouse. Governor Whitmer is so unpopular she almost got kidnapped during Covid due to her draconian Covid policies. Amy? Already a swing and miss. The Dems are screwed, plain and simple. They have no one in the national spotlight that doesn’t come with serious baggage and skeletons. There’s Gavin Newsome but even most moderate dems are tired of California ruining the rest of the country.

The metal is moving, so they're not that pissed. It's the same at AAL.

Scott, Ed, and Rob

I believe the end result is the same. We can take the medicine now or try to experiment with MMT and kick the can down the road at greater cost.