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I say if they let them wear beards, we should all be allowed to wear beards. I also believe in one standard PFT for men and women. Special jobs can set their own standards that fit with their requirements. Blanket minimum standard across the service. No more catering to special interest groups, either it meets standards or not. If the standards aren’t applicable anymore then don’t make exceptions to policy, just change the fcvking standard. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

That “doctor” isn’t a real doctor. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

It totally is the wrong use of boomer. That’s what makes it funny. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

"And at least two airmen who follow the Norse Heathen, or pagan, faiths have been granted permission to wear a beard." How do I become a Norse Heathen? Drink mead from a horn and plunder a village? That sounds like a pretty awesome made-up excuse to have a beard.

1.) I think that's the incorrect usage of "Okay Boomer." 2.) What I said is absolutely 100% correct and you can google and watch Dr Neil Baumgartner yourself (guy who designed AF PT test) and he will tell you the same. He selected the standard of 45-60 VO2 max because it was heavily correlated with lower risk for diabetes and heart disease. He used a large study by the Cooper institute to determine that women who run between XX:XX and YY:YY have a VO2 MAX of 45-60 and men have to run significantly faster to demonstrate the same VO2 max. Regardless, the entire intent of the test is to measure your VO2 max. He even discusses that he wanted to get rid of Push-ups and Situps all together because they don't scientifically assess anything and have no associated standards, but he was legit over ruled by boomers in that case who argued a military organization should do push up. (which is a really really dumb reason to do push-ups) Anyway, the point is, we don't need this assininely strict interpretation of uniformity to have esprit de corp or good order and discipline. Women have been integrated for nearly 40 years now with different dress and appearence standards and hair standards and while the AF is a burning dumpster fire, there are about a million things I can point fingers at because I think it's unfair women can wear skirts and I can't.

Of the 330,000 odd people serving in the active duty Air Force, I’m betting the number of people growing beards and wearing turbans is quite low. If you’ve sworn the oath to defend the US, then I really could careless if your religious beliefs expect you to wear a turban or beard. Times change, and unless those actions affect their job performance, it shouldn’t be an issue.

I haven’t seen this personally but I honestly don’t know why people (especially retirees) have such a problem with this. I know the military is different but Freedom of Religion is protected under the First Amendment. These are some of the questions that should be asked about these people: Are they loyal to the USAF and the USA? Are they hard workers? Are they doing the job to the best of their ability? If the answers are yes, then I don’t have a problem with them wearing turbans or having beards. —————————————————————— Also, beards DO NOT affect the seal on a gas mask or O2 mask....

Most people know how the test was designed. This does not support your argument that we have the "same" standard. We have different standards, literally generated by discriminating based on gender averages. As long as a woman can score an "excellent" for a run time that would end a man's career, we are damaging esprit de corp. But, sure, we have bigger problems.

What detriment? Don't know about you, but about the most physically demanding thing I've done in my career is bag drags on/off the jet. There's plenty of jobs in a modern milliary where running faster/lifting heavier isn't really necessary to do your job well.

Next you will tell me that a Chiropractor didn’t go to Medical School! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Thanks and not at all, very laid back and more of just a conversation!

Yeah, got the call yesterday!

Haven't heard anything back from Oregon yet but best of luck to everybody. Also if yall are applying to the 121st FS (DC Guard) make sure to get your applications in by 2/29. They moved their deadline up from 3/31 and they require a longer application package than most places.

VO2 max makes up for lack of equality? So if a chick is breathing harder that means it’s ok that she can’t run as fast or do as much physical work? That’s a bunch of crap if ive ever heard it. The PT is the exact sexist example why the military is forced to be politically correct to the detriment of the mission

Does anyone know when the next unsponsored UPT board is?? and how to apply? I would be an inter-service transfer from the Army

This might be the most asinine, political BS, mental-gymastics justification I have ever heard. But it could be the whiskey.

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We do have the same standards for PT. The standard is you have to maintain a level of fitness that promotes an extended life and lower health care premiums. The standard for women is nearly identical to men. It's designed to assess a VO2 max between I believe 45 and 60. It just so happens women need a lot less performance to do that.

As long as their waist isn't too big I wouldn't really care about hats or beards. Priorities people, priorities.

We are as happy that you're out of the service as you are.

WheelsOff, for what it's worth, below is a quote from the PC office regarding inclusion of a hiring letter and some some of the other mandatory documents. Apparently some get kicked back just for minor errors (like dates not matching). This isn't all the documents required but info about the ones that typically are missing or cause a hiccup in the application. "Intent to Hire letter from gaining unit showing tentative position (optional but highly encouraged)" "AF 2631 Palace Chase Statement of Understanding (witness & mbr dates must MATCH)" "Wet/digital signed justification memo (SAF PC will look at this)"

SO=significant other NOT Sensor Operator Sorry if that ruins anyones Valentines Day plans.

USAF 101 and effects based planning...what effect are we after? Is it the ability to provide “armed overwatch” of SOF teams in far flung places and over a long period of time? If it is, I think the AT-6/A-29 just aren’t the best solution due primarily to loiter time considerations.

Odds are good, but I'd take what you can get. Lots of wisdom on here about finding the best times in the least likely of places. Also it can be all about timing so start churning out apps everywhere. Beggars can't be choosers at this point. Also for a second I thought I saw your first hobby listed was pornography...

I know of a guy that washed out of UPT but became the best WSO he could be. After 6 kills he was offered another UPT slot. Chuck DeBellevue