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Back at cha. Biff says adios and you get in my grill over this? Dude dove in. He was a gonner regardless of crew actions, including trying the shut the engines down if they saw him. Sorry Biff, but dude got triggered by me for some reason and not anyone else, so calling it out.

Ya, no way I'd see that guy. We can't even see our wingtips on the 717. Besides, dude would have to jump pretty high to get into our engines. One night in Afghanistan, I had a guy walk from the nose of the F-16, down the right side and go between the inlet and the wing tank. I was looking the other way and only caught him out of the corner of my eye when my crew chief started yelling WTF. He was already in a safe area before I could shut it down. Apparently a big lip Block 30 doesn't have as much suck (sts) as they say. As a former crew chief, I can't fathom what made this dude do that. We had a very one-sided conversation later.

What aircraft do you fly? Literally no one here is saying they should have continued. We're saying that this happened so fast and most likely outside the view of the pilots that by the time they saw anything they could not have reacted fast enough. Most likely is that the pilots were completely dependent on comms from the ground/ops/or plugged in ground crew while this was happening You are making wild inferences. Stop being a spaz.

Completely possible, and either way it's not the pilots' fault when some dipshit jumps into the engine. But there's been a couple of these incidents in the past year, and historically every few years. It's not always some psychopath trying to commit suicide, sometimes it's an IQ-80 ramper. And it could have just as easily been one of the people who was chasing that guy who didn't realize how powerful an engine is only to get sucked in while trying to stop that guy from killing himself. In any and all cases, if people are around the engines and they're not supposed to be, shutting them down risks very little and potentially saves a life.

F-104s out of Kennedy Space

Looks like they had just pushed back too so were probably heads in getting started

100%. A blatant and unconvincing appeal to authority when I don't really trust anything that some random captain has to say, let alone some dude on youtube that has poor enough sense to do the video in uniform. Far too many "experts" have never experienced a significant emergency themselves but are all to happy to leap to conclusions about an incident with a significant amount of assumptions that often turn out to be incorrect. For example, there was the United plane that went off the end at Jackson Hole. Many pilots that should know better immediately and with zero evidence publicly said that the pilots landed long and fast in bad weather. Turns out the brakes weren't wired correctly and gave good enough braking that crews didn't notice for a couple landings in nice weather, but as soon as they asked for max performance for a short runway in the snow, the brakes gave something like 50% of what they should have.

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

Except you're wrong. If that pilot had shut down both engines as soon as he saw someone running towards the plane, they would have spooled down dramatically, and while they probably would have hurt the guy, they wouldn't have chopped his fucking head off, and they absolutely, positively would not have been sucking him in towards the core. So instead of just getting close enough to let the vacuum pressure do the rest, he would have had to climb into the cowl, crawl forward, and shove his head into the (decelerating) spinning blade. Watch the video. You'll notice I didn't say "wait until he's sticking his head in the cowling before shutting down." And I have to ask again, exactly what fucking point are you making? You're just going to keep him running cuz "maybe we'll get to depart anyways?" I'll be explicit here, if you think that's a good idea, You have no business being an airline captain. Stick to the military where you don't have to worry about crazy shit like this. I swear some of you guys are so locked into the internet that you forget that being "technically right" is not the same thing as being right.

He's making the point that if the pilots had toggled the engines as soon as that guy approached the plane it would have made no difference given the time-span of this event. Those motors would still be spinning plenty fast enough to chop a skull. Hence him saying: "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown." It has nothing to do with his attitude about the guy and more about recognition of physics. Stop trying blame pilots for things they can't control. They likely couldn't see anything until it was all over. If you've sat in a pilot's seat, you'd know that. You you this ignorant in real life, or are you just a Nav? Friggin' tourist

It always has been and will be the easy target to 'get after' instead of doing substantial reform.

Yeah, I was taken aback, said 2 star had been at a couple meetings, visited my boss to talk shop / bullshit a bit and seemed ok overall. I was surprised that a fighter guy would crap on it, LA posed and still poses no threat to the manned fighter mission. They operate in different roles now and really even during GWOT. When A-1s and AT-37s were introduced in Vietnam, they didn’t take missions from -105s, -4s, etc… same thing in GWOT and now.

My bad if that isn't AA specific. You all look the same if you're wearing a striped tie and taxiing at 8 knots. (I kid, I kid)

Haven't watched Capt Steve.

Possible stupid question, but is he wearing anything company-specific in those videos? Looked to me just like a generic captain outfit with white shirt, epaulettes, tie, and a fly safe lanyard, but I'm not smart on the details. And I would think AA would come down pretty hard on anyone wearing company-specific stuff postulating about random incidents, no?

That seems to be the consensus. Annoying if he's wearing company gear and talking about non-company stuff. SWA has its influencers, but they seem to keep it in their lane.

Not an AA guy but its interesting that his first flying-related video was only posted 9 months ago according to his youtube channel. Since then he's posted dozens and dozens of them and the India crash videos went particularly viral with views in the millions. Don't know his age but from the looks of it he is nearing mandatory retirement and is attempting a career pivot to old man internet aviation influencer/guru.

Is he they guy in the pilot uniform doing videos? If so, I don't watch just for that fact alone.

I've seen some pretty questionable "boots" in shoe clerk world. Some of these rules end up happening because we have asshats out there clearly abusing the intent of the regs in uggs or coyote brown air force ones. But I don't disagree with you that we are refocusing on stuff that absolutely doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and it has been a significant downward trend for quite a while.

What is the take from the AA bros on this Captain SteEveVe guy? He's taking some internets hate for his constant YouTube commentary on this Air India crash. Just retire already.

Pretty crazy. Lots of videos that confirm this view.

Not just enlisted… we seemed to finally be moving in the right direction away from queep, chiefiness, sock colors, and reflective belt police..now we are headed back in that direction but now under the guise of readiness and GPC. Boot height, really? Also in ranks inspections are an utter waste of time.

Just looked up the figures in Balkoski’s Omaha beach book. His research states, ”the invasion plan had assumed 600 Germans would initially resist the assault on Omaha Beach.” ”Instead of 600 defenders, the real number would be more like 1,100–and made up of troops the German high command rated in its highest combat category, meaning they were fully mobile and capable of launching large-scale attacks.” Intelligence had missed the redeployment in March of the 352nd Infantry Division to reinforce Omaha. Intel also declared only a single enemy battalion was posted in reserve behind Omaha, but with the redeployment of the 352nd, “that reinforcement number was increased to at least five.”

Such a wildly out of touch quote. Pretty sure the entire T-6 faip mafia would give their left nut to fly a weaponized version with 50% more horsepower

Thrust production (and the associated vacuum pressure in the intake) drops off very quickly without combustion, while inertia keeps the fans spinning for much longer. Besides, what point are you making? Fuck it, let him die? You think you're going to continue taxiing to the runway after they wipe his brains off the acoustic panels? Christ, are you this obnoxious in real life? 🤣😂 I know you're putting it out there with your user name, but still...