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No, it's like saying engines keep spinning around and a round. It's not a Vitamix. They don't immediately stop when the gas is shut off. Even a stiff breeze can get the fan spinning quite fast, maybe enough to cause deadly injuries. Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. Bud, the forum has spoken. No need to go full tard on this. Brakes? Really?

Question for any 11F who flew the AT-6B, did it have enough power with the new engine and prop combo to sustain energy to be useful for some lead-in fighter training?

For pilots. We forget that the rest of the military isn't officer heavy with the ability to filter for only the highest performing enlisted troops. Talk to a marine recon officer about the type of shit they deal with, and the discipline side of the military starts to make a lot more sense. Saw a lot of it in Moron, and it was eye opening. Trying to control and motivate an 18-year-old who got his brand new girlfriend pregnant because he heard you make a little more money is an all together foreign experience for most Air Force pilots. I sure as hell didn't have to deal with it. That's not to say I would have been on board with the changes, I'm a contrarian by nature, but the aviation wing of the military has always been the exception, not the rule.

...or just continue being a spaz...your call

I'm rooting for all the soccer moms who drive that highway daily. The fact that dude said he was brand new on that bike makes him all the more idiotic.

Are we playing the you're probably not even a real pilot game? I'm the only non-anonymous pilot on this forum, you can do a search 😂🤣 Inferences? A quick review: Now, point to the part where I said this was the fault of the pilots in the video? It's nowhere. The follow-up: Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. Another inference: Aside from being incorrect (it was 15 seconds into the video when he jumped in. That's a loooooonnnggg time for engines to spool down), its irrelevant. Is it better to keep them running, or is it better to shut them down? It's not always a lunatic with a death wish. Sometimes it's a ramper holding a couple chocks, or an over eager bag-thrower who didn't realize the engines are still running because the cooldown hasn't elapsed. You gunna wait to see if he keeps walking towards the engine because "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown?" Again, please point to the part where I blamed (or made any reference at all to) the pilots in the video? Perfect hypothetical pilot reaction? If "turn the engines off if someone is approaching them" is perfect in your book, then I guess I must be Chuck Yeager. Look at that, you agree with me. So what is with all the commentary? I never made a promise that shutting down the engines will guarantee survival. I did however point out that you are an idiot if you think it matters. If anyone here can spell out a scenario where it's safer to leave the engines running "if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be," I'm all ears. Or is this just because I said mean things to disgruntled? He's a big boy, he can take it.

That vid has been around for awhile. If you're rooting for the biker, he should have taken the Maumelle exit at around 5:00 into the vid. If you're rooting for the trooper, the force to the grass actually worked. I'd have to see a few more tries to make a judgement call on that technique. As for after the stop, well....

I think you're the one fixated on being "technically right" brainstorming a perfect hypothetical pilot reaction in a scenario that lasted a grand total of 26 seconds. I don't know how you do ground ops but I don't spend the entire time craning my neck to check my 5 and 7 o'clock on the off chance a suicidal spanish drug addict decides today is the day he's going to swan dive into one of my engines. Yes, if you see a crazy spanish man running towards one of your engines, probably shut it down. Would it have made a difference in 26 seconds? Absolutely not. The main fan would have still been spinning plenty fast to kill him and the cowling only sits 22 inches off the ground - plenty low enough to jump into without aided engine suction.

Back at cha. Biff says adios and you get in my grill over this? Dude dove in. He was a gonner regardless of crew actions, including trying the shut the engines down if they saw him. Sorry Biff, but dude got triggered by me for some reason and not anyone else, so calling it out.

Ya, no way I'd see that guy. We can't even see our wingtips on the 717. Besides, dude would have to jump pretty high to get into our engines. One night in Afghanistan, I had a guy walk from the nose of the F-16, down the right side and go between the inlet and the wing tank. I was looking the other way and only caught him out of the corner of my eye when my crew chief started yelling WTF. He was already in a safe area before I could shut it down. Apparently a big lip Block 30 doesn't have as much suck (sts) as they say. As a former crew chief, I can't fathom what made this dude do that. We had a very one-sided conversation later.

What aircraft do you fly? Literally no one here is saying they should have continued. We're saying that this happened so fast and most likely outside the view of the pilots that by the time they saw anything they could not have reacted fast enough. Most likely is that the pilots were completely dependent on comms from the ground/ops/or plugged in ground crew while this was happening You are making wild inferences. Stop being a spaz.

Completely possible, and either way it's not the pilots' fault when some dipshit jumps into the engine. But there's been a couple of these incidents in the past year, and historically every few years. It's not always some psychopath trying to commit suicide, sometimes it's an IQ-80 ramper. And it could have just as easily been one of the people who was chasing that guy who didn't realize how powerful an engine is only to get sucked in while trying to stop that guy from killing himself. In any and all cases, if people are around the engines and they're not supposed to be, shutting them down risks very little and potentially saves a life.

F-104s out of Kennedy Space

Looks like they had just pushed back too so were probably heads in getting started

100%. A blatant and unconvincing appeal to authority when I don't really trust anything that some random captain has to say, let alone some dude on youtube that has poor enough sense to do the video in uniform. Far too many "experts" have never experienced a significant emergency themselves but are all to happy to leap to conclusions about an incident with a significant amount of assumptions that often turn out to be incorrect. For example, there was the United plane that went off the end at Jackson Hole. Many pilots that should know better immediately and with zero evidence publicly said that the pilots landed long and fast in bad weather. Turns out the brakes weren't wired correctly and gave good enough braking that crews didn't notice for a couple landings in nice weather, but as soon as they asked for max performance for a short runway in the snow, the brakes gave something like 50% of what they should have.

agree, but point of order in that video it'd be hard to even see that guy from the cockpit

Except you're wrong. If that pilot had shut down both engines as soon as he saw someone running towards the plane, they would have spooled down dramatically, and while they probably would have hurt the guy, they wouldn't have chopped his fucking head off, and they absolutely, positively would not have been sucking him in towards the core. So instead of just getting close enough to let the vacuum pressure do the rest, he would have had to climb into the cowl, crawl forward, and shove his head into the (decelerating) spinning blade. Watch the video. You'll notice I didn't say "wait until he's sticking his head in the cowling before shutting down." And I have to ask again, exactly what fucking point are you making? You're just going to keep him running cuz "maybe we'll get to depart anyways?" I'll be explicit here, if you think that's a good idea, You have no business being an airline captain. Stick to the military where you don't have to worry about crazy shit like this. I swear some of you guys are so locked into the internet that you forget that being "technically right" is not the same thing as being right.

He's making the point that if the pilots had toggled the engines as soon as that guy approached the plane it would have made no difference given the time-span of this event. Those motors would still be spinning plenty fast enough to chop a skull. Hence him saying: "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown." It has nothing to do with his attitude about the guy and more about recognition of physics. Stop trying blame pilots for things they can't control. They likely couldn't see anything until it was all over. If you've sat in a pilot's seat, you'd know that. You you this ignorant in real life, or are you just a Nav? Friggin' tourist

It always has been and will be the easy target to 'get after' instead of doing substantial reform.

Yeah, I was taken aback, said 2 star had been at a couple meetings, visited my boss to talk shop / bullshit a bit and seemed ok overall. I was surprised that a fighter guy would crap on it, LA posed and still poses no threat to the manned fighter mission. They operate in different roles now and really even during GWOT. When A-1s and AT-37s were introduced in Vietnam, they didn’t take missions from -105s, -4s, etc… same thing in GWOT and now.

My bad if that isn't AA specific. You all look the same if you're wearing a striped tie and taxiing at 8 knots. (I kid, I kid)

Haven't watched Capt Steve.

Possible stupid question, but is he wearing anything company-specific in those videos? Looked to me just like a generic captain outfit with white shirt, epaulettes, tie, and a fly safe lanyard, but I'm not smart on the details. And I would think AA would come down pretty hard on anyone wearing company-specific stuff postulating about random incidents, no?

That seems to be the consensus. Annoying if he's wearing company gear and talking about non-company stuff. SWA has its influencers, but they seem to keep it in their lane.