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On 10/7/2018 at 8:15 PM, MDDieselPilot said:

Sounds like lots of us are in the same boat. 

I've had consistent strats since my 2nd OPR, several yearly's, 3 FGOQs up to the 2-star level, 2x DG , was an evaluator, 1500 combat hrs, never bought a checkride downgrade and no PFT busts.  I honestly thought I was squarely in the middle of the bell curve.  I guess I can GTFO, though.. which I will gladly do.

From what I was told 3+ years ago... not much of that matters to be honest.  The awards should be a mechanism to push you to a senior rater strat.  With no strat they don't mean much by themselves.  The board cares about strats period.  Who they are from.. what kind of strat... etc.  Your flying has little to do with an O5 board.  They care about leadership potential.. so evaluator, combat hours, checkrides... matters for not much for your O5 board.  Not my words.. just what I've been told. 

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Aren't the HPOs picked pretty much by the time they are senior captains? Seems like if you aren't identified as being on that path, well, awards and strats don't mean really anything at the FGO level.

The AF becomes a little more fun once you've gotten passed over and realize you don't have to play the game any more. Freedom to pursue what you find rewarding/meaningful, especially now when rated manning is in such bad shape.

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A lot of people believe getting awards and strats put you on the path to being an HPO. It’s actually the other way around. Being an HPO wins you awards and gets you the killer strats. Unfortunately, there is NOTHING you can do to become an HPO, it is gifted to you and once it is, it basically takes blatant sexual misconduct to pull you off the path.

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53 minutes ago, Chicken said:

From what I was told 3+ years ago... not much of that matters to be honest.  The awards should be a mechanism to push you to a senior rater strat.  With no strat they don't mean much by themselves.  The board cares about strats period.  Who they are from.. what kind of strat... etc.  Your flying has little to do with an O5 board.  They care about leadership potential.. so evaluator, combat hours, checkrides... matters for not much for your O5 board.  Not my words.. just what I've been told. 

All true, and I agree.  I mention some of that queep for context, not because i thought combat time was going to get me picked up for anything.   I got senior rater (Gp/CC and wg/cc) strats, as either #1 or #2 joint officer the last 3 years leading up to my IPZ PRF.  Apparently something else on my PRF read like a steaming pile of dogsh1t, though.

Anyhow, no one GAF.  just throwing it out there for anyone curious.

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1 hour ago, jazzdude said:

Aren't the HPOs picked pretty much by the time they are senior captains? Seems like if you aren't identified as being on that path, well, awards and strats don't mean really anything at the FGO level.

The AF becomes a little more fun once you've gotten passed over and realize you don't have to play the game any more. Freedom to pursue what you find rewarding/meaningful, especially now when rated manning is in such bad shape.

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What’s even more awesome is when you leave AD for the Guard, make rank and still get a federal retirement while not dealing with the fallout from those HPOs 

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20 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Aren't the HPOs picked pretty much by the time they are senior captains? Seems like if you aren't identified as being on that path, well, awards and strats don't mean really anything at the FGO level.

The AF becomes a little more fun once you've gotten passed over and realize you don't have to play the game any more. Freedom to pursue what you find rewarding/meaningful, especially now when rated manning is in such bad shape.

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Traditionally, yes.  The HPO process was formalized by being a “school select” at the 04 board.  However, now that they haven’t designated school selects on two 04 boards in a row, it’s more of less open game.  Those who would’ve been selects will probably still go and become a HPO and those who still want to play the game have a better chance/ more time. 

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Well, the USAF gave me its second thanks, but no thanks for O-5.  Not that I expected much, but it was a last chance for big blue to plant a seed of hope that they see the light.  I guess the pilot problem isn’t bad enough to need to give high time IPs hour a reason to stay.

My morale is gunna be pretty darn good...with delta, or southwest, or fedex, or...

 

Data point for the masses: clean record, 3300 hrs, MWS Pilot WO, JDAL staff complete...never touched the HPO track.  

This is what the USAF does not want: professional combat expertise.

 

Palace front (hopefully) in 16 months.  Apparently I have to avoid a BIS to keep my 20 year retirement viable.

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A lot of people believe getting awards and strats put you on the path to being an HPO. It’s actually the other way around. Being an HPO wins you awards and gets you the killer strats. Unfortunately, there is NOTHING you can do to become an HPO, it is gifted to you and once it is, it basically takes blatant sexual misconduct to pull you off the path.

So true. Listen dudes, if you are at your 10-12 year mark and you don’t know you are a HPO or you don’t have a special patch on your arm, you are most likely a needs of the USAF body/AFPC spreadsheet number.

That doesn’t mean you can’t have some kickass assignments and decent gigs, it just means that if you have big career dreams or ideas of leadership grandeur, you will probably be disappointed.

You will often find yourself working twice as hard for less results and if it comes down to a good deal between you and your patch/HPO counterpart, you will lose whether you were the right guy/gal or not.

Just keep it in mind when you are offered that bonus or ADSC extending assignment vs a chance for guard/reserves.

I’m always amazed at the guys I’ve seen neglecting their personal lives/families trying to gain favor with Big Blue when in reality their career fate was sealed years prior...just nobody told them.



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9 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Well, the USAF gave me its second thanks, but no thanks for O-5.  Not that I expected much, but it was a last chance for big blue to plant a seed of hope that they see the light.  I guess the pilot problem isn’t bad enough to need to give high time IPs hour a reason to stay.

My morale is gunna be pretty darn good...with delta, or southwest, or fedex, or...

Data point for the masses: clean record, 3300 hrs, MWS Pilot WO, JDAL staff complete...never touched the HPO track.  

This is what the USAF does not want: professional combat expertise.

Palace front (hopefully) in 16 months.  Apparently I have to avoid a BIS to keep my 20 year retirement viable.

If it helps, I can tell you the Guard Herc community undergoing a massive shift in full timers abandoning their Tech/AGR positions for traditional positions. I've seen a few guys hired that have been twice passed over. Many units are having trouble finding prior-Herc experience so they're hiring Majors that have never seen the inside of a C130.

The AF just opened the door to a thousand better possibilities for you.

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Scrolled?


You have to be on the “scroll” to be able to transition from the RegAF to the AFR. Talk to your base in-service recruiter (ISR). It is very easy but it can cause a break in service if you’re not scrolled before you try to transition.
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Well no IPZ luck here.  11F on third ops tour.  Not stellar records but not bad either (strats, OEF, DG, awards etc..).  Time to get smart on the guard and airlines - glad I had enough SA to avoid the bonus.

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11 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Well, the USAF gave me its second thanks, but no thanks for O-5.  Not that I expected much, but it was a last chance for big blue to plant a seed of hope that they see the light.  I guess the pilot problem isn’t bad enough to need to give high time IPs hour a reason to stay.

My morale is gunna be pretty darn good...with delta, or southwest, or fedex, or...

 

Data point for the masses: clean record, 3300 hrs, MWS Pilot WO, JDAL staff complete...never touched the HPO track.  

This is what the USAF does not want: professional combat expertise.

 

Palace front (hopefully) in 16 months.  Apparently I have to avoid a BIS to keep my 20 year retirement viable.

What do you mean 'avoid a Break in Service to keep your retirement?'

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1 hour ago, billy pilgrim said:

Well no IPZ luck here.  11F on third ops tour.  Not stellar records but not bad either (strats, OEF, DG, awards etc..).  Time to get smart on the guard and airlines - glad I had enough SA to avoid the bonus.

It's too bad we don't have a pilot shortage or anything.  All these excess pilots just make it really hard to compete at promotion boards...

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13 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

@FourFans130 go get scrolled now. It takes ~6 months. It is the single best thing you can do right now. The second best thing is to find a unit (many) willing to waive your 2x passed over-ness.


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How big a deal is that waiver? I'm guessing if a unit really wants you it makes the waiver less of an issue..

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2 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

Promotion stats are out on AFPC.  IPZ and APZ select rates with a P went down while BPZ rates went up.  Good news for HPOs but sucks for the rest of us working stiffs.

Link? I don't see it posted on www.afpc.af.mil

Or do you mean on RAW?

 

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1 hour ago, MDDieselPilot said:

How big a deal is that waiver? I'm guessing if a unit really wants you it makes the waiver less of an issue..

As of last August (2017), that waiver is only required by the Guard, not reserve. 

I’m told difficulty to get it depends more on cost of training and benefit to the unit, ie do they have to pay for a full qualification in a new jet v current and qualified, are you filling a full time v traditional slot, how many years do they see you working in the unit. 

The concern is that you’ll transition, then get passed over again twice and now you’re out of the guard/ reserve too. Unless something unforeseable like a pilot shortage or something happens...

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The retirement gouge is wrong. If you're a guy with a commissioning date before 06 You re a legacy guy, you don't get forced into BRS. that initial entry into military date doesn't change with a break in service. The only guys affected are those who had the choice to opt in, did so, then left the military. With a break in service you don't get a do over on the opt in if you decide to come back. You re auto enrolled. If you never did enroll, you don't get auto enrolled even as a post 06 guy. Only initial entry guys of 18 and beyond are. 

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Sorry for bad gouge but yeah it's available in RAW.

I was going to ask the same thing. Can someone take screenshots or something? I don’t have NIPR access for the next 3 years, and RAW isn’t available on the neutered AFPC Secure. I could always ask someone else to email it but figure there’s a bunch of other folks on here who would like to see.


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Was anyone on the critical skills list but only continued to 20 instead of 24? I can’t tell if they just screwed up the paperwork, or if the board actually screwed up.


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