17D_guy Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, nsplayr said: How did you go from DP on your 1-below to just a regular P on IPZ? 🤷♂️ May the odds ever be in your favor I guess! Gotta give that DP to the next 1-below. Don't worry, he's got it. AF never gets it wrong. PS - Retirement fucking rules. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) On 9/19/2009 at 3:26 AM, Herk Driver said: Dude, say what you want. Getting a vector for Air Staff is more difficult and more highly viewed by the AF. A lessor percentage of people get an Air Staff vector, than joint (other). Having done a Joint(other) tour, I can tell you that the AF view is out of sight, out of mind. Your joint OPR means nothing except the strat line. I think his point was there is a difference between "joint" and "Joint". I've heard similar, that less than 1% of officers will get vectors for JCS, other joint staffs like a sub unified command or COCOM are not as highly viewed. When people say you want to shoot for Joint they often confuse this but they mean you need to shoot for big J, not little J. Commanders use the same language on push lines. If joint is written lower case its an indicator to the reader. Anyway, not a commander and not on the path, so just repeating what I've heard. I've also heard In certain communities staff in general is rare and having any staff is a definite positive anymore, even if just NAF or MAJCOM. Edited July 13, 2020 by FLEA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 hours ago, FLEA said: I think his point was there is a difference between "joint" and "Joint". I've heard similar, that less than 1% of officers will get vectors for JCS, other joint staffs like a sub unified command or COCOM are not as highly viewed. When people say you want to shoot for Joint they often confuse this but they mean you need to shoot for big J, not little J. Commanders use the same language on push lines. If joint is written lower case its an indicator to the reader. Anyway, not a commander and not on the path, so just repeating what I've heard. I've also heard In certain communities staff in general is rare and having any staff is a definite positive anymore, even if just NAF or MAJCOM. I'd rather smoke a "joint" while holding the rank of "Mr." than deal with any of the bullshit above haha. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 hours ago, FLEA said: If joint is written lower case its an indicator to the reader. Reason #369 why I’m so glad to no longer be traveling with the circus. ...small j vs big J? WTaF? The very definition of dodging valid feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Reason #369 why I’m so glad to no longer be traveling with the circus. ...small j vs big J? WTaF? The very definition of dodging valid feedback.Joint or JCS means Pentagon. joint means a COCOM. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said: Joint or JCS means Pentagon. joint means a COCOM. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No, no. We get that. He’s questioning the lunacy of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) Since when did O-4 AD retirement become such an indignity? Don't answer that, I'm being rhetorical (as a career reservist enroute to one 😄). #winning #atleastihavechicken Edited July 15, 2020 by hindsight2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic020 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 P520 LAF O-5 As Met records are now showing in PRDA. Hopefully that means a public release is on the horizon... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VariEze Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 P520 LAF O-5 As Met records are now showing in PRDA. Hopefully that means a public release is on the horizon...My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic020 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, VariEze said: My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app In that case, end of August may be optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotARobot Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 The release for that board has been in the 3rd week of August for the last two years. I’m talking about the AFRC O-5 board; apologies if you guys are talking about Active Duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, VariEze said: My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app MyPers is still showing the status as "Air Staff". Still has to clear SECAF, SECDEF, and Congress. I'd be amazed if that happens by the end of August. Edited August 6, 2020 by pawnman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, pawnman said: MyPers is still showing the status as "Air Staff". Still has to clear SECAF, SECDEF, and Congress. I'd be amazed if that happens by the end of August. Pretty sure the select message comes out prior to Senate confirmation. No one can actually pin on O-5 until the list is confirmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic020 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) On 8/8/2020 at 2:52 AM, Bigred said: Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list. No inside baseball but its unusual for a board to sit this long in between reviewing bodies, especially with the As Met available in PRDA. Normally, the As Met is dropped into PRDA about 3/4 of the timeline between board and public release. At this rate, we're looking at late September release. I believe first pin-on month for this board should be November. Edited August 10, 2020 by celtic020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Can anyone with staff experience weigh in on what exactly happens with these promotion lists? I find it hard to believe folks would be added/dropped from a promotion list that was chaired by 06 and flag officers. And if that's not the case why all the delays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Can anyone with staff experience weigh in on what exactly happens with these promotion lists? I find it hard to believe folks would be added/dropped from a promotion list that was chaired by 06 and flag officers. And if that's not the case why all the delays? They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKAWTG Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CaptainMorgan said: They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk With all the deferred retirements due to COVID, would they lower the promotion rate, or slow the pin on rate to keep under the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 2:52 AM, Bigred said: Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list. Are you looking at a different tracker than me? I just looked at the status of boards on MyPers and it still says it's with the Air Staff. Last updated June 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtic020 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, pawnman said: Are you looking at a different tracker than me? I just looked at the status of boards on MyPers and it still says it's with the Air Staff. Last updated June 19. Probably both looking at the same tracker. 19June is the last time the board results moved through a wicket. 7August is the top line date on the MYPERS document indicating that, indeed, things are moving slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, celtic020 said: Probably both looking at the same tracker. 19June is the last time the board results moved through a wicket. 7August is the top line date on the MYPERS document indicating that, indeed, things are moving slowly. Yup, last movement was 19 June, last day checked for myPers was 7 August. Edited August 10, 2020 by Bigred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Things seem to be going...swimmingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWing Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) I'm beginning to wonder if its being held up for a reason. With the changes that were made to the promotion system this year coupled with the short notice board "via correspondence" construct I wouldn't be surprised if they're a) taking extra time to make sure the results look in line with what would be expected based on records, or b) already found that they aren't and are trying to figure out what to do next. Just a hunch, but there were a lot of seemingly rushed changes this time around. Edited August 13, 2020 by BigWing Corrected incorrect info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14N Guy Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said: They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The AF finds new ways to screw me! Thanks Obama! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 11:34 AM, CaptainMorgan said: They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID. Doubt this is a valid statement since the Army just released their O6 list after Duckworth's hold. However, been hearing rumbling of funny stuff with end of year funding and GS employees are anticipating mass early retirements (due to funding) come next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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