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Doesn’t make any sense. If it wasn’t worth it you wouldn’t have posted anything. It was still worth something to you. You hit reply.

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We need a reset button. By no means advocating revolution, it would just be awesome to fire every single elected official at the federal level, so people understand their job security isn't so secure, and then elect people that understand what their job is: make the country work well.

That's not so much to ask, right? Haha


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Term limits. Get rid of every DC swamp creature (D’s & R’s) who’s been there for 20+ years
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On 10/18/2020 at 8:22 AM, Sua Sponte said:

What part of the GRU do you work for?

So much delusion.  

 

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The Hunter Biden narrative isn’t going to move the needle, unless you can show that VP Biden actually did something illegal. Here’s the deal, there are hundreds of thousands of parents who have to deal with their children’s addictions, yes even grown children. You don’t stop trying to help your kid just because he’s an adult. It’s what you do, because you watch them grow from an infant, and try to help them ever step of the way. I don’t care if HB was a coke head, that’s his cross to bear. He’s not running for President.

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2 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

The Hunter Biden narrative isn’t going to move the needle, unless you can show that VP Biden actually did something illegal. Here’s the deal, there are hundreds of thousands of parents who have to deal with their children’s addictions, yes even grown children. You don’t stop trying to help your kid just because he’s an adult. It’s what you do, because you watch them grow from an infant, and try to help them ever step of the way. I don’t care if HB was a coke head, that’s his cross to bare. He’s not running for President.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sim said:

 

 

You gonna keep just posting videos or actually address some of the criticisms of the ongoing story?

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8 hours ago, Guardian said:

Straw man. You made up a narrative about republicans, claim to know what they believe or are doing in Oct (which facts don’t support) and then spout some drivel based on it. Now that’s the (leftist)reporting the country is used to!

On a side note, it’s been independently verified to be his laptop. And if it wasn’t his, why did his lawyer contact the man who had it asking for it back? Yeah. Pretty mysterious how the left leaning FBI won’t produce it. I agree.

Trump relinquished control of his business.

And who would you rather trust,someone who is losing millions just to be president and do the job. Or someone who is wanting to be president and has done been in government for 47 years and used it to make money.

Super shady.

Who independently verified it?  I can't find anything online about verification, only the opposite that no one can verify.  Are you saying that if I claimed to have a laptop of yours, and I started posting private pics of you and videos of you smoking crack you wouldn't have your lawyer give me a call?

What kind of world do we live in where a large law enforcement agency comprised of cops and headed by a trump-appointee is left leaning?  Do you even listen to yourself?

My bad, he relinquished control but didn't divest, and still funnels millions of taxpayer dollars back into his own pocket by taking everyone to his resorts and enriching himself.  Just like the founding fathers wanted.  Also you dodged that you can quite literally pay to have access to Trump through Mar A Lago.  Who should I trust?  A millionaire who lies repeatedly when it's convenient to him and repeatedly disrespects the office of the presidency, or a lifelong public servant who has been under public scrutiny for 40+ years and the worst you can dig up on him is dirt about his son...

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I don’t think you’ve read anything about what is on the emails. They tie his dad directly to the money. And the emails have been verified by people who were on them. Might want to go read about them and then second guess your non fact based trolling. When you get called out you pivot to something else. Address what’s in front of you. Then we can talk about people paying to stay at a resort.

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Oh and the director of National intelligence this morning shot down that it’s a smear campaign.

Edit. Why isn’t Adam Schiff in trouble for his lies and mis information? That should seriously be answered.

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Man, the hypocrisy on both sides is disgusting! You guys crying about unfair coverage kill me. Simply depends on who's in power at the time. Suddenly, everything about Biden is verified and true, but when equal sources in similar positions, and people who literally just worked for Trump talk about his shadiness you guys just say #fakenews. Gross pot calling the kettle black here.

Let's just keep the discussion to what policy should be. I actually learn from people on here when they put forth well thought out ideas and articulate messages vs the constant defense of their side in spite of gross evidence damning both sides...


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Agree to disagree. There is actually evidence. Before there isn’t. Single witness testimony without evidence isn’t evidence.

Anywho.....what policy would you like to discuss?

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Agree to disagree. There is actually evidence. Before there isn’t. Single witness testimony without evidence isn’t evidence.

Anywho.....what policy would you like to discuss?

You say that, but it's hilarious because one person's irrefutable evidence is clearly another's #fakenews. All the proof has been put in here a thousand times, but the left immediately discounts any "proof" as BS and the right calls it "fake news" on the other side of that coin. You proved it simply by replying. Everyone is so convinced of their own infallibility no one's ever going to give any credence to the other side... We're all just on opposite sides of opinions.

No issues in particular. Everything from social injustice to fiscal discipline in here seems to be covered by educated people. If you're able to get past some people's (both sides) smug attitude of thinking they're the only one in here that knows anything, there's actually a lot to be learned. Maybe I'm just the only idiot on BO.net that doesn't know everything. Meh...


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4 hours ago, drewpey said:

lifelong public servant who has been under public scrutiny for 40+ years ...

Could you remind why Biden quit his presidential run in the 70's?  

 

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6 hours ago, Guardian said:

Oh and the director of National intelligence this morning shot down that it’s a smear campaign.

Edit. Why isn’t Adam Schiff in trouble for his lies and mis information? That should seriously be answered.

So the DNI, who reports to Trump, was nominated by Trump for the job, and been in the job since this past May, says that an email that was “verified” authentic from an anonymous source who sent it to Fox News, a media organization that is Pro-Trump, says it’s not a smear campaign?

Shocking 😂 

https://apnews.com/article/024b553e9a4ffb2716286dd134876f8a
 

Yet Giuliani says foreign sources didn’t provide the Hunter Biden emails. He says a laptop containing the emails and intimate photos was simply abandoned in a Delaware repair shop and the shop owner reached out to Giulianis lawyer.”

Seems “authentic.” So, the repair shop owner random reached out to the lawyer of the lawyer who’s job is to find dirt on Joe Biden, the father of the owner of the purported laptop, who’s running against Trump for President? And he did this possibly without trying to, I dunno, contact the owner of said laptop?

Oh and the media outlets that are making a big deal of the emails? Fox News and The New York Post which are Pro-Trump.

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2 hours ago, slackline said:

You say that, but it's hilarious because one person's irrefutable evidence is clearly another's #fakenews. All the proof has been put in here a thousand times, but the left immediately discounts any "proof" as BS and the right calls it "fake news" on the other side of that coin. You proved it simply by replying. Everyone is so convinced of their own infallibility no one's ever going to give any credence to the other side... We're all just on opposite sides of opinions.

I agree with what you said.  However, as the starting point in regards to the Joe/Hunter Biden issue, can we all agree that career politicians becoming multi multi millionaires during and after their time in office is something that raises any number of serious questions that need answered?  Let's agree on that and go from there.  Folks on both sides like to throw out the "term limits" issue.  I wholeheartedly agree that we need term limits for folks just like Joe Biden.  There is absolutely no way you can spend almost 5 decades in DC and not be wrapped up in endless backdoor deals where someone, somewhere now has leverage on you.  In this case it would seem that China and Ukraine potentially hold the leverage.  Dirty money, kickbacks and bribes become normal to people like Biden who have been there that long.  Hell, he probably no longer sees anything wrong with it because it has gone on so long.  

I just don't see how anyone can deny the fact that Biden is surrounded by shady issues.  Just look at his houses.  He bought a 10,000 square foot house in 1974.  In 1996 he built a house on 4 acres that is almost 7000 square feet.  All this while being consistently listed as one of the poorest members of the senate.  I just don't buy the book sales and speaking fees line anymore.  Call me cynical, I just don't.  

Sim posted a video that details Biden's plagiarism and lies about school.  While it may not be surprising and good for a laugh or two, it shows what his character is like.  He is willing to lie, cheat and steal to get ahead in politics.  That is what dirty politicians do.  

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1 hour ago, Sim said:

Could you remind why Biden quit his presidential run in the 70's?  

 

Could you point when he ran in the 70s? Do you mean 1988?

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6 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

I agree with what you said.  However, as the starting point in regards to the Joe/Hunter Biden issue, can we all agree that career politicians becoming multi multi millionaires during and after their time in office is something that raises any number of serious questions that need answered?  Let's agree on that and go from there.  Folks on both sides like to throw out the "term limits" issue.  I wholeheartedly agree that we need term limits for folks just like Joe Biden.  There is absolutely no way you can spend almost 5 decades in DC and not be wrapped up in endless backdoor deals where someone, somewhere now has leverage on you.  In this case it would seem that China and Ukraine potentially hold the leverage.  Dirty money, kickbacks and bribes become normal to people like Biden who have been there that long.  Hell, he probably no longer sees anything wrong with it because it has gone on so long.  

I just don't see how anyone can deny the fact that Biden is surrounded by shady issues.  Just look at his houses.  He bought a 10,000 square foot house in 1974.  In 1996 he built a house on 4 acres that is almost 7000 square feet.  All this while being consistently listed as one of the poorest members of the senate.  I just don't buy the book sales and speaking fees line anymore.  Call me cynical, I just don't.  

Sim posted a video that details Biden's plagiarism and lies about school.  While it may not be surprising and good for a laugh or two, it shows what his character is like.  He is willing to lie, cheat and steal to get ahead in politics.  That is what dirty politicians do.  

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/29/us/professional-board-clears-biden-in-two-allegations-of-plagiarism.html

Do your last two sentences apply to Trump and the GOP as well?

 

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50 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

NYC Steel Workers Union < China/Ukraine IRT leverage.

I do not believe Trump is the most honest person out there.  I can promise you that.  However, I do not think it is fair to compare a businessman to a career politician who used his position in government to generate wealth for himself and his family.  Same for the Clintons, Obamas and any member of the GOP that has done the same.  

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8 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

I  do not believe Trump is the most honest person out there.

Come on man...stop quibbling about this shit.  He is simply dishonest, says what he thinks will work in the moment or not and goes back on his word.  Both politically and in business.  Because one is in the "free market/private industry" doesn't make it better or worse than someone who's been in "public service" their whole life.
 

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 I can promise you that.  However, I do not think it is fair to compare a businessman to a career politician who used his position in government to generate wealth for himself and his family.  Same for the Clintons, Obamas and any member of the GOP that has done the same.  

So, I know for one thing when I had to deal with Boxer AND Feinstein as my Senators digging into how they got so rich (and their families...Mr. Boxer in particular) was there's no insider trading for them.  So they can hear about a deal, or know how legislation is going to go.  I think this has since been changed because of those shit-ass republicans who took the classified briefs and started selling stock before the public getting in trouble.  This COULD explain it, but there's obviously more nefarious ways "Uncle Joe" coulda made his money.

But lets not act like Trump hasn't done the exact same thing for his family, example #1 - The Trump Foundation.

Also, personal opinion only, but to think that there's more leverage on Joe than there is on Donny...I'm hard pressed to believe that.

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So...no, you can't.  This isn't fucking Twitter, stop being a shit-post crusader, lol.

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4 hours ago, slackline said:

No issues in particular. Everything from social injustice to fiscal discipline in here seems to be covered by educated people. If you're able to get past some people's (both sides) smug attitude of thinking they're the only one in here that knows anything, there's actually a lot to be learned. Maybe I'm just the only idiot on BO.net that doesn't know everything. Meh...

I actually have a policy question.  What is the Republican answer for Health Care?  ACA's been out for years, best I've heard is more HSA/FSA and "let states deal with it."

Those don't help with people that really need healthcare, though they do appeal to my political leanings.  I've had family members born with chronic medical conditions I've mentioned before, bankrupting their families.  FSA/HSA ain't gonna help with that.

Best I can find for Donny is - https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/healthcare/ which doesn't tell me anything about future plans, and his campaign site lacks anything on it.  Funny the "Shop" link is the biggest up top.

Best I can find for Joey - https://joebiden.com/healthcare/, plus there's a ton of "plan" links (didn't find Green Deal...also didn't look hard) for what they want.

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Start with the assumption that health care is not a right and the US currently has the best healthcare system in the world (not talking insurance but the system of providing health care).

Now talk.

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We as a country have determined that we want certain segments of the population to have government supported health care and have for more than 50 years. Why is expanding this out to include others a bad thing if the voting populous determines that is what they want? 

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9 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Start with the assumption that health care is not a right and the US currently has the best healthcare system in the world (not talking insurance but the system of providing health care).

Now talk.

How do you separate the insurance aspect from healthcare? I’m not sure there’s a conversation to be had about the”best healthcare system in the world” without considering insurance in the equation. As far as “healthcare is not a right”, it’s abundantly clear that the majority of Americans would like it to be. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/03/most-continue-to-say-ensuring-health-care-coverage-is-governments-responsibility/ 

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