What's wrong with the Air Force?

[panchbarnes]

1 hour ago, jrizzell said:

They made it fancy and new...I believe the intent is to use a lower case e...nailed it

Must be OPR time...  My #1/200 Colonel; top Innvtr/tech Disrptr/True vsnry--Instgrm Sr Exec flwshp & CHKMATE CEO next!

[Steve Davies]

Happy birthday, Air Force! 

(the detail-driven folks at Dover have obviously been enlisted to help our the DoS).

 

[brabus]

The classic single-engine-out, chemtrail bomb burst. Go Air Force!

[BeefBears]

On 9/18/2020 at 10:45 AM, Steve Davies said:

Happy birthday, Air Force! 

(the detail-driven folks at Dover have obviously been enlisted to help our the DoS).

 

The Thunderbirds looks a lot bluer than I remember.

[HuggyU2]

Quit complaining folks.  

At least it isn't Flankers.  

[Hacker]

On 9/15/2020 at 6:44 AM, Breckey said:

Isn't this exactly what the "X" and "Y" MDS prefixes were?

No..."X" planes are research aircraft, and "Y" aircraft are/were prototypes of aircraft intended for production.

And the designation is "e" not "E".

[HU&W]

5 hours ago, Hacker said:

No..."X" planes are research aircraft, and "Y" aircraft are/were prototypes of aircraft intended for production.

And the designation is "e" not "E".

At least it’s not an iPlane

[afthunderchief16]

The idiocy is not limited to just the AF, it has spread to the GCCs as well.

I honestly feel bad for the planners on staff. Lord know how much time/effort they put in to putting these ops together to have PA fuvk away the messaging right off the bat. 

[ThreeHoler]

Hey, in all math I know, B 5-2 = B 3.


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[SurlySlipper]

Lol... I mean to be fair, the number convention would be confusing if you had no idea about planes at all. That’s so ridiculous though

[pawnman]

[M2]

Then there was this...

[M2]

12 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Hey, in all math I know, B 5-2 = B 3.

[brwwg&b]

3 hours ago, M2 said:

Then there was this...

2 of 3 correct on 2 different posts? Pretty sure that's a win by PA standards...

[Bigred]

Edited as the picture was fixed!

Edited September 24, 2020 by Bigred

[BFM this]

13 hours ago, Bigred said:

Apparently the B-52 has removed their ejection seats?

I must be missing the reference.

[Bigred]

21 minutes ago, BFM this said:

I must be missing the reference.

Ah, I clicked on the link and the picture was fixed. The original picture was of a KC-135 cockpit and the tag line was something like "B-52 crew prepares for a flight".

[Tonka]

Apparently no one in the Air Force actually works with aircraft that are owned by the Air Force...

[Prosuper]

Doesn't surprise me, most base commanders hate having to spend money on maintenance of the aerodrome, had one thought it would be a good idea to get rid of the arresting cable gear and save a whole 100k a year and make fighters going cross country find another base to IFE at when they had no hydraulics. Another personalist making operational decisions.

6 hours ago, Tonka said:

Apparently no one in the Air Force actually works with aircraft that are owned by the Air Force...

 

[FLEA]

55 minutes ago, Prosuper said:

Doesn't surprise me, most base commanders hate having to spend money on maintenance of the aerodrome, had one thought it would be a good idea to get rid of the arresting cable gear and save a whole 100k a year and make fighters going cross country find another base to IFE at when they had no hydraulics. Another personalist making operational decisions.

 

I'm confused? Was it a fighter base? If so how did a personalist become the senior airfield authority? Usually if there is an Air Base Wing separate from a flying operation the ABW becomes BOS-I but the flying/operations Wing/Group becomes the SAA and should have their own money. 

Most wing commanders I've worked with begged for money to upgrade their airfield. The more ramp space/services/etc... they got, the more they could pad their OPR (or whatever O6/7's get) with how much oversight they had. 

[Prosuper]

3 hours ago, FLEA said:

I'm confused? Was it a fighter base? If so how did a personalist become the senior airfield authority? Usually if there is an Air Base Wing separate from a flying operation the ABW becomes BOS-I but the flying/operations Wing/Group becomes the SAA and should have their own money. 

Most wing commanders I've worked with begged for money to upgrade their airfield. The more ramp space/services/etc... they got, the more they could pad their OPR (or whatever O6/7's get) with how much oversight they had. 

An AFMC base in Oklahoma. An ACC unit that is a tenant.

 

 

[jazzdude]

An AFMC base in Oklahoma. An ACC unit that is a tenant.
 
 

Pretty sure there's at least 3 airfields within less than 20 min (10 min at fighter speeds?) flight time with arresting cables and/or barriers from that base

[brwwg&b]

2 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Pretty sure there's at least 3 airfields within less than 20 min (10 min at fighter speeds?) flight time with arresting cables and/or barriers from that base

Pretty sure we've found a personnelist

[jazzdude]

Pretty sure we've found a personnelist

Most bases that host only heavy aircraft don't have cables. If big AF wanted cables at airfields that don't have fighters for emergencies, they'd fund it.

Why should a base maintain equipment that they have no requirement for? (And that requirement could be big AF telling the base to maintain an emergency capability)

At least you pointy nose guys still have parachutes; us heavy drivers for the most part lost ours several years back

[brwwg&b]

6 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Most bases that host only heavy aircraft don't have cables. If big AF wanted cables at airfields that don't have fighters for emergencies, they'd fund it.

Why should a base maintain equipment that they have no requirement for? (And that requirement could be big AF telling the base to maintain an emergency capability)

At least you pointy nose guys still have parachutes; us heavy drivers for the most part lost ours several years back

Your profile says you're at Charleston. Do you have cables? Do you know why?

The original issue presented was a base commander making decisions at a base level, which might've contradicted "big AF"'s wants. Unknown if they made the decision to ask around before getting rid of the requirement, or if it was just missed by scrutinizing eyes beyond that location. Center the map around Tulsa and rethink whether the likelihood of events which could drive a divert to needing a cable (not a net) is worth maintaining a 100K/yr vs losing a 33+million dollar jet and buying risk at executing the seat option.

Parachutes shouldn't be plan A, B, or C. (redundant engines, fuel/time, suitable fields all are limited to the pointy nose guys)